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Today I'm interviewing Mauricio Francolino. Mauricio, please introduce yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=0.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Hello, as you said, I'm Mauricio Francolino, I'm from Argentina. I moved with my family to Jersey City, United States, in July 2021. Since July 2021, we have been living in Heights, Jersey City. We live with my family, Chloe, my wife. We have two children","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=13.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Camila, who is eight, and Oliver, who is six. They attend public school, PS5, and are bilingual. They were born in Argentina, in Buenos Aires.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=51.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Camila went to school in Buenos Aires, but not Oliver, because at that time, when Oliver started school, the COVID pandemic started, and everything shut down. Then we moved to the United States. I'm a journalist. I work at Spectrum News, on the Spanish edition. Now it's a national news program, but before this news program became national, there was a local New York news program, and the company decided to become a national news program last December. We're working more, right? But I prefer national news to local news, because in local news, we have to talk or write about the rain. For me that is not very interesting, like politics or economics, or international news. I'm happy to live here, but of course, my family and friends are back home, especially in the city where I was born, Chacabuco. And sometimes I'm a little sad because I'd like to see them more, but it's hard to leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=81.0,212.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, you're homesick. Yes. Yes, it's very hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=212.0,218.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And you're a language person, you're a journalist. You went to journalism school in Argentina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=218.0,230.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, in Buenos Aires.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=230.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And now you're working as a journalist. Tell us your story about learning English and your life as a journalist, about how, working in Argentina, studying in Argentina, and then everything you've done as a journalist and now living in the United States. You're working in a Spanish-language newsroom. But you're still in a different country. Yes. So, if you could share that part of your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=232.0,261.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Well, I'll start. When I was young, I started doing journalism, but not as a professional, right? I did some radio programs that I produced in Chacabuco, in my city, when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=261.0,295.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I was born and raised. And then, when we moved to Buenos Aires,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=295.0,304.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I started studying university actions, but after three years I said, this is not for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=304.0,315.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Stocks? Yes, stocks. Oh, you've studied stocks for three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=315.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, at the University of Buenos Aires. And then a friend who worked together at the radio station told him, \"You have to study journalism.\" Right now, I don't have much money. I told him, \"I can pay for journalism school.\" I said, \"I'll ask the board of directors.\" The university board of directors? Yes. So you'll ask the director of the journalism school. Yes, because he studied there. The school gave me half. A school? Yes, a school. You have a school, okay. And for the first two years, I had the school. And when I started the third year of school, I got a better job, and I said, \"I don't need school anymore. I don't need the university anymore. Another student can take the school.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=319.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: After graduating from journalism school, I started working at different media outlets. The last one, before I went to the University of Buenos Aires, was a multimedia editorial company. It has a radio station, a television program, a newspaper, a magazine, and, of course, a website. I worked in different parts of this company, including the website for the television program. Then the pandemic hit, and we started working from home. At that point, we decided to move to the United States. At the time, it was a little difficult because I thought, I'll ask the company if I can continue working remotely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=394.0,459.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And I thought they'd say, no, you have to stay here. But it doesn't matter because we were working remotely. And they said, yes, no problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=459.0,472.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: But then, when the pandemic restrictions ended and people started returning to work, they told me, \"Excuse me, you have to go back to work.\" And I said, \"Yes, I can.\" From New Jersey City to Buenos Aires. At that point, I ended my relationship with this company and was working in New Jersey City on other businesses. And then in March 2023, I started working at the company I've been working at since that year. At Spectrum. At Spectrum News. The program used to be called New Year One News, and now it's called New Year One News, because this is a local program. When it became a national program, the company decided to change the name to Spectrum News.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=472.0,558.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Of course, the TV show is in Spanish, but we need to translate everything from English to Spanish, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=558.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Of course, we can use different tools. You can do it yourself, you can use tools, no problem. But sometimes, for example, Google Translate,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=574.0,593.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: some words... They are not accurate translations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=593.0,597.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: You need to use a dictionary or something like that to know what the correct word is in Spanish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=597.0,613.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Okay, this is about the professional side of my life. About English, I started an English course in Buenos Aires when I was at university studying... accounting? Accounting? Accounting? Sorry. Yes, that's fine. But it wasn't very good. It wasn't for the course, it wasn't for me, because I went to the course, but I didn't pay that much attention to English because I never thought I'd go to a country that was an English country. You didn't know you were going. Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=613.0,669.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: When I moved to Jersey City, I started an English course at the public library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=669.0,685.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Then, for life, for work, for family, I didn't continue the courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=685.0,697.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Around, I don't know, how many years ago? I started taking classes at the public library again, but I was also taking ESL at Hudson County Community College, which helped me write better—more grammar, that is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=697.0,733.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: The teacher or the classes help you write in English, and I take some speaking classes. And, of course, I do this and the English class at the public library at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=733.0,757.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And you mentioned earlier that you're taking other courses at Community College. The biology course? That was my last one. Your last one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=757.0,769.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, because to get the ESL certificate you have to take, of course, the English course, but you have to take some classes that, for example, I need to take biology, which was very difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=769.0,795.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I'm taking computer science. Are you taking any computer science courses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=795.0,800.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Computer science course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=800.0,800.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Another one, but I don't remember what the other course is that I need to take to get the certificate. If not, you can, of course, take the ESL class, but they say they can give us the certificate. Because I understand, you need to use English in other classes and courses. That's a great thing that they do. It's challenging, it's difficult. Especially biology. It was very difficult. Many, many names. Some of the names are similar, not similar, but... The Latin names. Yeah, yeah, you know that. But the last time I read anything about biology was in school. A long time ago. Research has changed with genomics and all kinds of things. But I did a good job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=800.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You did it. Oh, congratulations. That's wonderful. So, using English and learning more things in English has changed the way you do your job here as a journalist, even if you work in a newsroom in Spanish language. Your understanding of the news, which you have to translate into English. Every day, you have to read a lot of news in English and translate it. Of course, as I said, you can use some tools, but you have to read.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=900.0,932.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, you have to re-read. I think the hardest part is when you have to translate the headlines of the news. Because sometimes the headlines are a little... not difficult, but it's not like a text. It's a summary of the news, and it can be shocking. Can you give me an example of something that was in English? If you can think of that. I don't remember. I don't remember, but I know this was one of the hardest parts. Yes. One of the hardest parts. I think I'm pretty good at writing in Spanish because I've been doing this for 15 years. Working in different media, companies, programs, writing for a rock and roll website, different things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=932.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I worked many times in the state, in the government, in the secretary's press. My best position was as press officer for one of the national secretariats, the Secretariat of Medium and Small Trade, which is part of the Ministry of Industry. In my country, we call it a minister; here, it's a secretary. The Secretary of Manufacturing or Industry. The Secretary of Industry in Argentina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=996.0,1055.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you're the boss, the head of communications?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1055.0,1065.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, exactly. 've also worked in NGO communications. I've worked in various NGOs, in the private sector, in the public sector, and in a media company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1065.0,1089.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How do you feel about that? You're a person with a full-time degree in Spanish, and then you come here and speak another language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1089.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How do you feel about that, about not being able to work to your full potential? Has it helped you learn more English, or is it difficult? Because it's Mauricio in Argentina and Mauricio in Manhattan?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1103.0,1121.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: At first I was a little frustrated, because for someone like me who works in communications, if you can't communicate, it's hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1121.0,1146.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Because even though I knew a little bit of English, when I arrived I realized that the English I knew wasn't very useful. So at first it was difficult, personally, socially, and at work. Later, the classes I took at both the public library and at the college gave me an important background in English, which allowed me to read the news or a book fluently. But even today I feel that the language can be divided into how you listen to it, how you read it, and how you speak it. I think it's due to a lack of more contact, because at work we speak in Spanish, beyond the news. I spend eight hours speaking in Spanish, and at home I speak in Spanish too. And I don't have much of a social life. Between family and work, it's a lame life. So I think my greatest weakness is expressing myself in English, speaking in English. And being a person, as you said, who is a communicator, there's that frustration. And being a father, you mentioned that when Oliver had to start school in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1146.0,1254.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Argentina, the pandemic started. And Camila had already been to school in Argentina. How was the children's adjustment process when they came here to Jersey City? And your English was still in its infancy. They didn't have any problems. They didn't, but you did. Of course, because their mother always spoke to them in English, so they had, like, two entrances, mine in Spanish. Camila, well, she also went to kindergarten. So she had a schooling experience in Spanish. And the children's mother, Chloe, did she speak to them in English from the time they were born? From the time they were born, they were bilingual. But I'll tell you one peculiarity about Camila. Even though my wife spoke to her in English, Camila never spoke until, I'd say, two and a half years old. Three years, I don't remember exactly. She never spoke English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1254.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: In 2019, my wife's job meant we went to Brazil. I speak a little Portuguese too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1319.0,1330.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes? How long did it take?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1330.0,1332.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I can speak a little, but not much. We lived in Brazil for a year, in the northeast. It was very beautiful. The people are very friendly, especially to the children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1332.0,1353.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: They are very good with children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1353.0,1363.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: In which city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1363.0,1366.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Do you want me to say it in Portuguese?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1366.0,1367.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, say it in Portuguese if you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1367.0,1370.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: We live in the northeast of Brazil, in Paraíba, in the state of Paraíba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1370.0,1383.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: It is a coastal city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1383.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Lots of fish dishes, of course, feijoada. But one particular thing about the people of Paraíba is that they have a dictionary of words from Paraíba, the northeast. But other people, in other parts of Brazil, don't know it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1391.0,1424.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Wow! So, when I do the transcription, I'll have to check with you. I understood it, because it's easy to understand, but not easy to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1424.0,1435.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And in the middle Portuñol too, I don't know if it's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1435.0,1438.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: But anyway, you've had to speak another language. And that's not a very common experience for people who are just starting to speak English. You know Spanish and Portuguese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1438.0,1450.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I even took some Portuguese courses at the University of Paraíba, the state university, which offered free courses. So, even though I knew I wouldn't be able to stay long, I wanted to be on the streets. Again, communication with others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1450.0,1468.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How long were they there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1468.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: One year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1470.0,1473.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: We returned two months later when the pandemic started. We went back to Buenos Aires.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1473.0,1482.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Well, it's a different experience when you leave and you know when you're going to come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1482.0,1486.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, it's like a long vacation. Well, I'll tell you the peculiarity I forgot. Because I started speaking Portuguese and I have to pay more attention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1486.0,1497.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And I was stunned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1497.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: As I was saying, Camila received my Spanish input from school, from kindergarten, and English input from her mom. But she never said a word of English. Not since she started talking, not when she was a baby, no. And when she was in Brazil, that's why I mentioned Brazil. It was a friend of Chloe's, who's American, but had been living in Argentina. She married an Argentinian, they had a daughter, and then, by that time, she'd returned to the United States. And when she went with her mom and the daughter—the daughter didn't speak, she spoke very little Spanish—Camila began speaking English with my wife's friend's daughter. How interesting, between them, right? And then she started talking completely, but it's like, I don't know, as if a button was pressed and she started talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1500.0,1556.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: It was really weird.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1556.0,1558.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How interesting, a button that the other girl pressed, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1558.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: The other girl squeezed it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1560.0,1561.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Not the mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1561.0,1562.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Not his mother. I think his mother was already halfway frustrated with how he didn't speak English. She spoke to him every day from the womb. So, well, Oliver didn't have any Spanish education because he was a baby. We'd also been to Brazil, but he was a baby. So, well, his educational instruction was in English here. First at Gestard and then, well, in public school, in kindergarten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1562.0,1594.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And how did you deal with being a father here? I mean, talking to the doctor, the teachers. What was that situation like? What was that experience like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1594.0,1605.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: It was difficult. Luckily, Chloe, being from here, handled the situation better, obviously. So many times she took care of those issues. But yes, many times, when I've gone to the doctor with one of the boys, there are things that aren't on my English radar. So you can ask for it to be repeated, and sometimes they do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1605.0,1634.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And you don't understand it either. So, well, in those moments, since they're health-related issues, there's always someone who speaks Spanish. At the offices, they call someone to translate for you. Especially since, since it's a health-related issue, they've never had anything serious, but when it comes to health-related issues, you want to know what they're saying, especially if it's for your children. It's happened to me too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1634.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: So, well, yes, that's it. It's difficult. I mention doctors because you mentioned them, but the difficulties arise in any business you enter. For example, a hardware store you're going to buy. How do you say it? I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1660.0,1682.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: There's a kind of joke in Argentina that they put in the hardware store. There's a sign that says, \"Ma'am, don't ask me for the thing, because I don't know what you're talking about.\" Because you go and say, \"I want the thing.\" Then there's a sign that says, \"Don't ask me for the thing.\" I mean, sometimes we don't know the name in our language of what we're looking for in a hardware store, for example, in English. Even worse, less so. And I think that's time. There are words that, I don't know, until you come across them because of the need to look for something or to know something, you don't know them until that moment. And I always say, there must be many words in Spanish that I don't know. I don't know if there are that many, I say, but they escape me. In English, like for those of us who come to immigrate, to live in this country, there are always like trains of words that are about to arrive. Because one creates a kind of small territory of words, of how to handle oneself, that turns them to one side. That is, at first you use more or less the same ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1682.0,1773.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Syntactic organizations because you learned them, and it's a good way to avoid making mistakes, to say something. And then, well, with time, you definitely improve. I think there are always many missing. And, I don't know, for me, it must be because of what we talked about at the beginning about being a communicator, I was really worried about not being able to communicate in English or not being able to communicate in comparison with Spanish. I'm always very far from that. So, always, and I still am, I feel a little embarrassed about telling or speaking in English during conversations. Afterwards, when the time is right, I speak. But, well, I think if I had to give advice to those who come, it would be to avoid embarrassment, which I couldn't avoid. The embarrassment of speaking poorly, not because the other person is doing that way, man, you have to talk more. On the contrary, here it's a world within a world, I tell them. But, well, I think that worked against me. The shame of being afraid that I won't pronounce it right, that I won't say it right, that I won't be understood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1773.0,1858.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Or many times when someone asks you something or tells you something and you don't really understand, and you say yes. But it's like you're left with a... gee, dude.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1858.0,1874.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: But, well, I think that's... I don't know if I'm one to give advice, especially not in English, I mean, but I think that's good information to keep in mind. You have to face it without shame.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1874.0,1889.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And now you face it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1889.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, yes, now it's like... Then I keep seeing things I don't understand, too, of course, but mostly in the specifics, I don't know, of words I don't know. And sometimes, since there are so many...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1891.0,1909.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: How do you say it? Different accents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1909.0,1915.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I have a much harder time understanding some English-speaking nationalities than others, for example. It's like... And I said, well, we don't understand anything Argentinians do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1915.0,1933.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: But I got a little lost in what he was saying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1933.0,1935.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: We were talking about the topic of shame. You were advising that when people have to face a new language, they shouldn't be ashamed and just face it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1935.0,1944.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, I think that's partly the key. Especially at the beginning. There's no need to be embarrassed because you don't necessarily have to know the language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1944.0,1954.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And what do you think about the way people here in Jersey City welcome you when someone doesn't understand? With foreigners. And if you can clarify, contrast it with Argentina. If you've had contact with foreigners in other countries, how people have treated you when they realize you're just learning to speak English or don't understand something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1954.0,1976.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: In general, the truth is that it seems to me that people already live in an environment where there is a lot of migration. I imagine that each territory must have its own particularity in how it is treated. We have to speak differently, so to speak. But the truth is that here in Jersey","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=1976.0,2005.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: City, in general, I don't remember anyone letting me speak because I didn't speak well or because I couldn't pronounce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2005.0,2017.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Even the people who are closest, known, known, known,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2017.0,2025.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: They find a way for you to say what you were going to say; they listen to you or ask you questions. But I haven't felt that here, like a distance between the English speaker and, well, in my case, the Spanish speaker. And in my country it's very different because, well, here, well, as those who go there to listen to this will know, people come from all over the world, like a Tower of Babel. And in my country, migrations or migratory movements varied. The first migratory movements were European, Italian, Spanish, German, but above all Italian and Spanish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2025.0,2089.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Well, the Spanish language speaks the same way Argentines speak Spanish, and Italians have a close relationship between Spanish and Italian. But I couldn't tell you, because I didn't live through that era, how they treated those who spoke another language back then. And now, immigrants in Argentina are mainly from neighboring countries that, well, basically speak Spanish. Bolivia, Peru,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2089.0,2121.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2121.0,2128.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I don't know, I don't have a number to give, but those who speak another language are the fewest in the number of immigrants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2128.0,2141.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: When I talk specifically about small things, I couldn't speak in general terms about how someone who speaks another language and can't speak Spanish very well is treated, but from what I've seen or from my personal experience, it's the same here. Trying to understand, again, communication. I like to communicate, and if the other person can't, I have to help them find a communication tool, a way, to eliminate the noises that sometimes make it difficult for us to understand each other due to language issues, and then have a conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2141.0,2188.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And you mentioned that, for example, listening to Spanish speakers from other Latin American countries is sometimes difficult for you to understand. Or am I wrong? Didn't you say that? Or that they speak English, but they're from a different background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2188.0,2204.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: No, what I'm talking about here is people who speak English, but aren't from here, from certain countries. I'm not going to mention any because I don't feel like mentioning anyone. 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And people for whom English is a second language, but they sound different from those of us who speak Spanish or from Argentinians, who have a very distinctive accent in Latin America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2225.0,2246.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I haven't thought about how an Argentinian sounds in English, compared to a Colombian, for example. But people who speak other languages. South Asian languages, East Asian languages, African languages, other European languages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2246.0,2263.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Also. So, have you met people from many countries here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2263.0,2268.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, yes, yes. That's the beautiful part, I think. I mean, there are other beautiful aspects, but that's the multicultural, multilingual aspect. I think it enriches the country and enriches those of us who live here, to some extent. How do I do it? Or how did I do it? The same thing I was just telling you, when an Englishman who was learning Spanish spoke to me in Argentina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2268.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Because I also understand that the other person might not understand me. I say, I don't understand this person from such and such a place when they speak English because of their accent, I don't know, X. And it's possible that the other person doesn't understand me either. No, I think that's where goodwill lies. I think when there's goodwill, there's communication.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2302.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: As long as it's in the right context. What do I mean by this? If there's a lot of noise, it's sometimes very difficult to try to communicate in another language. What do you mean by noise? A lot of noise if it's, I don't know, the subway up above. Physical noise. For example, it happens to me in bars where there's loud music; it's almost impossible for me to converse in English. Not only do I lose focus because I'm listening to the music, but I can't fully understand what the other person is saying. And in Spanish, maybe we're speaking two meters apart with the same music playing and you understand each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2330.0,2375.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Because there is distraction too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2375.0,2376.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Of course, yes, yes. The noise between the sender and the receiver, the famous communication pattern, there's a linguistic noise because I or both of us don't speak English as our native speakers, so to speak. There's already a noise in the communication. And the second loud noise, which is a subway noise, music,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2376.0,2414.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: It just makes the channels even more dirty. It clogs up the communication channel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2414.0,2421.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Well, there's also the cultural aspect. The cultural aspect of this area of the United States. Let's say, people who have been here for several generations or those who have just arrived and are learning English. Can you think of a situation where, even though you knew the meaning of every word, you didn't understand the context? Is there a cultural aspect with Spanish, you who translate the news? Or in conversation, maybe not just with English speakers, but also with foreigners who are learning English, who say one thing but you understand it differently, or when you express yourself in English and do it well, but they understand something else, even though they understand every word. Is there a cultural aspect in communication that has impressed you a bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2421.0,2477.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Nothing comes to mind, but it probably exists, because culture obviously permeates everything. It permeates history, it permeates language,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2477.0,2493.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: But I don't have anything in my memory that I can give you an example of. Okay, okay. If I insist again on these issues, there are also cultural ones, because there are, I don't know, going to doctors who are from other countries further afield, who have been educated at university, they still have an accent from the country to which they belong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2493.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And that's happened to me, for example, but it's not a purely cultural issue. I used to think more not just about the accent, but about the meaning of the words. Not just the accent or how they're expressed, but there are times when you're thinking of idiomatic expressions in Spanish, you translate them into English, but your interlocutor, even if they understand every single word you're saying... What does it mean? What does it mean? I don't remember. Those filters do exist, right? Yes, yes. I don't know, I imagine I have to say something. Okay, when I translate it, I don't know if I'm saying the Spanish idiom, I don't know if the idiom can be translated. But it seems to me that there may be some issues with idioms that one, I don't know, tries to say in some way in another language, but it doesn't work, because sometimes an idiom is understood in the language. Yes, yes. But I don't remember. I owe you. Okay, we can talk about that another time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2519.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: But there are other channels too. For example, music. You mentioned","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2603.0,2608.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Music a couple of times. You're interested in music, in cinema. There are other ways in which you've been influenced by English or that you hear English, and you don't have to respond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2608.0,2622.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, I think music is the channel par excellence where I've most influenced English. Beyond that, well, when I was in Argentina, not having any kind of instruction manual in English, I didn't know what I was saying. But I liked it. And often, it's a bit of an embarrassing situation when you sing it thinking you're singing it well, and someone comes along and says, \"What are you saying?\" It's like, I don't know, what's this crazy thing about wanting to sing it? Because you love it so much, right? You're so passionate about it that you want to sing it, but you don't even know what it's saying. You say something similar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2622.0,2673.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yeah, it sounds like... And what music do you like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2673.0,2679.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Well, the music I like the most is electronic music, which generally doesn't have much vocals. But I like rock and roll, I like rap, I like a bit of—I don't know what it's called exactly—what Calle 13 does, for example, which is a kind of rap, but it's more Latin. I really like that generation or new generation—well, Calle 13 aren't that new—that intelligence to be able to put one word after another and make it rhyme and say something and make it sound really poetic. Poetic, they told stories, and it seems to me, I don't know, something worth highlighting, people who can do that, right? Then I like some pop music, some tango. I was never really into classical music, for example, which also doesn't involve much singing, I don't know if it's more orchestral.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2679.0,2762.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: There are some jazz things, I've gone to see jazz, I like it, well, there are also vocalists, but I like a bit how the instruments sound, above all, more than the voices, how they intertwine and one stops playing and plays another, it's a solo,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2762.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: But I think, well, as for the initial question of where I got a bit of English, without fully understanding it, I think it was with rock and roll music in English, which sounds better than in Spanish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2790.0,2803.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What artist, what band do you like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2803.0,2815.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: The classics, what do I know, from the Beatles, the Rolling Stones,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2815.0,2823.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I like it, well, this was going to happen to me in Spanish, but what other bands? At some point I liked Guns N' Roses, there was a dichotomy with the band, because it was silly, but look, this is cultural, a sexist culture. In Argentina, men didn't like Guns N' Roses that much, which was a band that girls really liked, but it seemed to me that there were songs, like November Rain, that were good. What else? I don't remember the names, but there are so many bands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2823.0,2875.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And now that you speak English, after revisiting and listening to those bands again, what do you feel when you understand what they're saying?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2875.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: It's a different door. Yes, it's a different door. Even though sometimes I don't fully understand everything, because sometimes the music and all that, or how they sing it, the tonality, but it's like, I don't know, it's satisfying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2886.0,2908.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Beyond the fact that many times, especially when you go online and look up the lyrics, you can see what they say, but understanding it at the moment when they're singing it to you has an interesting plus. I don't know, you don't appreciate that, for example, in Spanish, because you're so used to it that, well, it's part of listening to the music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2908.0,2943.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: So, well, nothing, it seems to me like a double door that allows you to access the sound better, because, well, you hear the music, but if you don't understand what it's saying it sounds like just another sound in the voice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2943.0,2965.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And other types of audiovisuals? Have you seen movies in English? There are things you've enjoyed in Spanish, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2965.0,2974.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: No, I don't like Spanish dubbing; I think it's terrible. I prefer to watch the subtitles and listen to it in the original language, whatever the original language is: Chinese, Russian, English. It's like, even though I don't understand it, of course, it seems more real to me. Besides, a lot of the dubbing is in Spanish. So it makes the movies less funny. I have nothing against Spaniards, but, I mean, seeing a Russian speaking like a Spanish person is like... Artificial focus. Yeah, pretty much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=2974.0,3020.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: So what I've generally done is that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3020.0,3025.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Subtitling. Now I admire series—again, there are things I don't fully understand—or movies, but I watch them all in English. And when you put on subtitles that were originally recorded in English, do you put them in English so I can read them? I used to do that; now I don't put anything on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3025.0,3045.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Now then...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3045.0,3045.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: It depends on the day and how you feel. Sometimes when you want to watch a movie and relax, I put on the subtitles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3045.0,3057.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: But when, I don't know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3057.0,3063.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I have a series in English, a movie, because I'm cool, I'm not going to work, what do I know. After eight hours of work, it's like you don't have... I have to make an effort to understand it in English too. It's not like, like I watch it in Spanish, the movie. But I do... I didn't think that... If you asked me, I don't know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3063.0,3093.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: If I could watch a movie in Spanish, in English, he'd say no. Absolutely not. So, while I'm very critical of my English, even when I look at the processes, I also have to be kind to myself and say, hey, well, two years ago I couldn't watch a movie in English up close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3093.0,3117.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Do you recognize yourself? How far have you come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3117.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: What happened at the end of the film? I don't know, I saw a man who was thundering. So, I think I've made progress in that regard. But again, always thinking there's still a long way to go. Sometimes it's not a good thing to be demanding, but you are who you are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3120.0,3140.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, there's always more. There's always more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3140.0,3145.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You miss Argentina. What do you generally miss about the things you do that you can't do here? Aside from the people, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3145.0,3157.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I think I've been thinking about this for some time. I don't know if I miss Argentina. What I miss is what there is in Argentina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3157.0,3170.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Of course, I love my country. A lot. But if the people I love weren't in Argentina and they went to Spain, I would want to go to Spain. I would want to go to China to see it. So I don't know if I end up missing the country or the life that is there. The people. It's understandable, obviously you miss your country. But if those people weren't there, how much would I miss my country? Because there are the buildings, the same buildings. Now the buildings are inert things. The culture, the food, there isn't any. I don't eat meat, which is like the main menu in Argentina. So I don't miss the food and meat either. For me, it's nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3170.0,3227.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Would you like to talk about it? Why don't you eat? Have you been a vegetarian all your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3227.0,3231.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: No, it's been, I've lost count, but it must have been, I think, 20 years. Between 15 and 20 years, probably. No, I was never much of a meat lover. But when I saw that the meat wasn't cooked properly, that it was a little red and all that, I couldn't eat it. It was like I had something with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3231.0,3256.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I don't know, sorry, I don't know if you can say this, but I saw an animal. An animal, a living being. Yes, yes, anything can be said. So, yes, yes, I don't say, he listens to it and is impressionable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3256.0,3275.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: So, yeah, I always had a thing about meat. And after reading some articles about animal treatment, particularly cows, in the slaughter process, about industrialization, basically, I said, I'll never eat meat again. But it was, it was super easy. I quit smoking too. Quitting smoking was tremendous. Quitting meat was the easiest thing in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3275.0,3316.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Because you went with conviction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3316.0,3318.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes. Mind you, no, I'm not a meat-free fundamentalist. What I think is that we're too...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3318.0,3333.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Especially in countries like Argentina and the United States, where there's a lot of meat production, very, very carnivorous menus. Dependent. And then philosophically, I don't know, I don't know, they're animals, they're different, they're different, but then you look at them inside or out, they have eyes, they have noses, they have ears, they have legs, they have stomachs, how different we are. It's like, well, that's my philosophical emotion about, about animals, right? Yes. In a country that produces meat. One hundred percent. You go to an Argentine restaurant and it's a meat restaurant. Every day I tell you, I want to eat a churrasco, a friteco, or an asado. But it never bothered me at all to stop eating meat. Or fish, for example. Here, they don't really tell you what meat is, what fish is. Yes, well, it's an animal, it's a fish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3333.0,3404.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And well, and in Brazil, which is also a very carnivorous country, but you were on the coast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3404.0,3409.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: There was a lot of fish when we were on the coast, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3409.0,3412.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So from Argentina is what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3412.0,3415.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: there is in Argentina and it is the people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3415.0,3419.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, I think that's what makes one miss","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3419.0,3426.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: To the people. I don't know, if there weren't anyone there, again, if there weren't any of those people, I would certainly return, because one grew up there, one knows, but it would lack, I don't believe in this, but to make it graphic, the soul of those buildings would be missing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3426.0,3445.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: The essence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3445.0,3446.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: The essence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3446.0,3447.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And well, you have traveled, you have lived in Brazil","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3447.0,3457.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And in many places in Latin America for work reasons. I say I've traveled a lot and seen little, because with work, you're there for a couple of days and you get to know things. But yes, I don't know, I've been on vacation in many places too. I was on vacation in Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Brazil—not a vacation, but living. Then, for work, I don't know, I've been to Ecuador, Bolivia,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3457.0,3488.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: in Mexico, in Mozambique, in Africa, who speak Portuguese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3488.0,3497.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I'm missing a few more places, but I think that except for French Guiana, Venezuela, I've been to Guatemala,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3497.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: What else is there? Salvador, I don't remember if I've been, it seems not. In several places. I'd still need a few places to complete the entire Americas, but someday. I'd like to go to Canada, for example.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3510.0,3527.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Most of your travels are in Latin America, and here in this area of the United States, there's a lot of migration from Latin America. This is something that hasn't occurred to me, but when I interview someone from Latin America, it always comes up: the idea that people who have lived in this country for several generations have a certain idea of who a Latin American is. And what can you say about this? Is there a Latin American monolith? That's a silly question, but what do you think about that perspective of people, about the Latin American monolith?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3527.0,3568.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: That all Latin Americans are the same is like the same nonsense as when someone says all people from China are the same. It's the physical trait regarding people from China, but it's like nonsense. And what happens in Latin America is worse because there are many","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3568.0,3590.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Different features, even from a morphological perspective. That's where I'm missing the forms, right? Skin color, height, even within the same countries, there are many differences. In Argentina itself, people from the south, those from the north, or those from Buenos Aires and Córdoba, there are differences in the tones of how we speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3590.0,3625.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, yes. That's a stupid question, but I'm asking you because there are issues of nationalism. Many people in Latin America also have their ideas about what Latin Americans are like. We're not all the same. Mexicans are like this, Venezuelans are like this, Argentines are like this. So I'd be interested in knowing your perspective on that regionalism in Latin America. That's more or less what I was getting at. 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We are none of the same species.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3750.0,3766.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: That says it all as far as the perspectives of Americans, of different types of Americans and of people who come and go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3766.0,3774.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So that's where we're similar, too. I think about creating a difference. Many people do it that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3774.0,3781.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: There are, to put it simply, good and bad people everywhere. Just because a country is rich doesn't mean it's poor, it lacks good people, or it lacks bad people. This is a bit of the human condition. And often, I don't know if I should call them bad, but they can commit a crime because the context also put them in a horrible situation. Being born with nothing, I don't know. There's an Argentine artist named Lindo Solari, who for me is Kael, and then comes all the rest. It's written in English, Spanish, Russian, it doesn't matter. In one of his songs, he talks a bit about marginalized people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3781.0,3849.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: a product of society itself. So he says that some of those people might go on to commit a crime. I'll explain it to you, but he says it beautifully in his song. And he says that if he's going to rob you and if he has to kill you, maybe he'll kill you. Because where does he find the point? His life isn't worth anything. Society told him, your life isn't worth anything. So, if you're standing in front of the gun, why is your life worth more than his? I mean, he doesn't justify this, but he's trying to... I understand what he's saying. I was completely bastardized by society. I wasn't given an education. I was born in a very poor shantytown. My parents couldn't give me anything because they had nothing. That also brings you closer to criminal ghettos, right? To put it another way. Which, I don't know, what are they called? The mafias. They say, well, they give you the little job of selling drugs and you end up being a marginalized person. Where your life is worth nothing. 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I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not justifying it, obviously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3941.0,3956.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: One tries to—I don't know if it's the right word—construct why that person is bad. Because they're not bad for no reason. There will be people who are bad for no reason. But there are people we push to those places. Society pushes them to those places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3956.0,3981.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You give importance to context.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3981.0,3984.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And that, through our conversation, is permanent, isn't it? 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The phrase is there: man is social.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=3994.0,4012.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: If he's a man, he's social. Unless, I don't know, he lives alone in the Himalayas, deciding to distance himself from society because he says, \"I don't want to be there anymore.\" But as context, we live, we live, we are context, it seems to me. That would be the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4012.0,4030.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Even to go to the Himalayas I need a jerpa or someone to help me get to the hut there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4030.0,4034.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Exactly. To isolate yourself. Exactly. And you're not going to get there. Absolutely. And you must get a plane ticket or something. I mean, a whole contextual process that gets you there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4034.0,4048.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, yes. And before coming here, you did some research on Jersey City. You had an idea about this area. I mean, you were somewhat familiar with it. What are your impressions of the ideas you had about the United States? Of course, informed, being an educated person and a journalist, but living here is a different story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4048.0,4126.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Jersey City was basically my wife's choice because of her career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4126.0,4135.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: She applied for several scholarships to do a PhD, one regionally, so to speak, by cities in New York,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4135.0,4149.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: One in Jersey and there was another one that I don't remember what it was, but it was a bit in this area. The one in New York was the first result she had, she had finished second","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4149.0,4167.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And then there was no further communication, so apparently the winner came out first, they would have given her the first place to choose the scholarship at Rutgers University in New Brunswick. So that's why she decided to be here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4167.0,4191.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And also, a little bit, well, the prelude to that is that her brother lived in Brooklyn at the time, but well, New York was closer, if you left college, and Jersey City, or anywhere in Jersey, was pretty close. And her father lives in Albany,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4191.0,4212.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: So, well, it was a bit of a rough outline, a territory that suited him, and well, me too, because, well, the family would be there, although they don't see you every day, obviously, due to logical scheduling issues. So that would be the... I mean, I didn't choose Jersey City. I mean, he answers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4212.0,4238.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And now, what do you think of Jersey City? I like Jersey City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4238.0,4242.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I think it's a pleasant, peaceful city to live in. Downtown is a little more chaotic, if you like, but not as chaotic as other downtown areas in other big cities. I think the uniqueness of being close to New York also gives it a plus if you want to do something in New York. But as a city, I like it. I lived in Buenos Aires for a long time, which is a much bigger city than Jersey City, of course, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4242.0,4284.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: And I loved Buenos Aires, and I like it. Now, after having slowed down that Buenos Aires and Jersey City have, I don't know if I would want... I mean, I wouldn't go, for example, to live in New York. No way. Not in the area, I don't know, around Queens, in some quieter areas, yes. But not in the vibrant city. I don't think it's the lifestyle I want today. But well, I should have moved to Jersey City to realize that. Otherwise, no one would have taken me out of Buenos Aires. It's a great city. Yes, yes, it's very beautiful. It has its beautiful parts, its more or less beautiful parts, and its ugly parts, but it's a very... It has a lot of culture. Very interesting, a very interesting city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4284.0,4344.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: One of the great cities of Latin America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4344.0,4347.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Yes, absolutely. And in the world too. And in the world, yes. I don't know where I'd rank, but if I had to name 10 cities in the world, I'd put it in the list of world cities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4347.0,4363.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Would you like to add anything? What else can we talk about? Whatever you want. What else can we do? Another magazine to continue the discussion, but what would you say goodbye to your life with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4363.0,4381.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: I don't know if it's a farewell, but I'll leave you with this thing I said at the beginning about daring. Daring the language. I'm probably saying something, and anyone who hears it says no, I'm the only one who was ashamed to dare to use English. But it seems to me that doing that, and doing something I didn't do, that I couldn't do, even if I went back in time and came back because of my need for communication, for high communication, so to speak, that I have in Spanish, which really annoys me not being able to speak English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4381.0,4428.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Enjoying how we speak when we come here. Taking it as something, I don't know if it's funny, but yes, I don't know, fun. Enjoying that one—we're speaking badly, anyway, which one it is. And laughing with the other one who speaks well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4428.0,4456.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: Entering into a kind of humorous connivance with the other person and laughing in a good way. I don't know, my son Oliver is very funny about it, because he speaks English very well, and he struggles a bit with Spanish. And he says some words that are very funny. That, at that point, is something to enjoy. Because after a while, when he starts speaking well, that becomes lost, like a child who starts speaking well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4456.0,4488.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Enjoy the innocence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4488.0,4489.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: The innocence of language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4489.0,4493.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: If you want, to give it a title. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4493.0,4498.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Thank you very much, Mauricio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968#t=4498.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163056/file/296968/transcript/86664/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MF: It's a pleasure. Thank you so much for allowing me and the rest of the participants to share a little bit about what it's like to be an immigrant in another language. 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