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With a background in classical languages and a PhD in religious studies, he approaches language education as a gateway to understanding new worlds. As an ESL teacher, he values the wide range of life experiences his students bring into the classroom and sees teaching as a shared exchange rather than a one-way transfer of knowledge. For Max, learning a new language is not just about communication, but about gaining access to new ways of seeing the world.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Themes"]},"value":{"en":["Music, education, LGBTQIA+ community, gender"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Jersey City Free Public Library"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["oral history","interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["English as a Second Language at the Learning Center: Learning English, Living in English (part of)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Jersey City (N.J.) 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Today is April 25th, 2025. I am interviewing Max Thornton. Good afternoon, max. Please introduce yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=7.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Good afternoon. I'm Max Thornton. I'm very happy to be here. Yeah, so I was born in Scotland. Both of my parents are English. We actually moved to the US when I was a baby, but moved away again when I was seven. I came back as an adult. So at this point I have lived, I think more than half my life in the US in total. But I was not born here. I became a citizen a few years ago. I came back on a student visa for grad school, met my spouse, married, got a green card and eventually citizenship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=21.0,56.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So I'm interviewing you because you are a Neocell instructor here at the Learning Center, but English is your first language, but you have extensive international experience. Tell us about your life moving to a different place of starting from Scotland. From where in Scotland are you from originally","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=56.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I'm from Edinburgh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=80.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You're from Edinburgh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=81.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: That's where I was born. And then as I say, I was a baby when we moved to the us, actually to Alabama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=81.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: My younger brother was born there. I believe we moved. It was the very last day of her pregnancy that my mother was allowed to fly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=87.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=92.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: So my brother was born a citizen. He also lives in the US now, but we stayed there for about six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=93.0,102.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What brought your family to Alabama?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=102.0,104.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: My dad's work. He's traveled a lot in his lifetime. He lived in a lot of different places. He works in agricultural research, specifically looking at climate change and how it affects food systems. So he's worked a number of places around the world. Got his PhD in New Zealand. He and my mother lived in Columbia. That was where my older brother was born. And so they've lived a number of places. He's worked on a number of international projects and because of that we traveled around quite a bit, living in Alabama, then Kenya for six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=104.0,138.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Where in Alabama did you live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=138.0,140.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: In a small town called Florence. It's in northern Alabama. Part of Muscle Shoals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=140.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay. Yeah, muscle Shoals. Yeah. And then you went back to the UK or to Scotland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=144.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: We would go back regularly to visit, but we actually spent three months in the Netherlands first,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=154.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=162.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Was fun. And then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=162.0,164.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How old were you? Sorry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=164.0,165.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I was seven. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=165.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Were seven. So after that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=166.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, sorry, seven when we spent our three months in the Netherlands and then we moved to Kenya for six years","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=168.0,173.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: In Kenya. You live where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=173.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: In Nairobi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=174.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How was your life in Nairobi as a 7-year-old? You were there for six years, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=176.0,181.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: You are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=181.0,181.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Schooling. Can you share a little bit of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=181.0,184.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was a fun place to be a child. There was a lot of exciting things there. We went on a lot of safaris, went camping, saw a lot of animals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=184.0,197.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was all a lot of fun. But I also went to a school there. My parents were sort of deciding should they send us to the American school there or to one of the British schools there, because I had had only a few months in an American school, but my older brother was in I think fourth grade when we left. So he'd been in the American school system, but I think they decided that it was most likely we would end up back in the UK and we would probably go to university there. So they sent us to one of the British schools. But the British schools are kind of interesting because they were very diverse. I think my school was about a quarter white, a quarter black, and about half people of South Asian descent. So I got to know a lot of people from different backgrounds, different families, different languages. They were speaking in their home growing up. And yeah, I think I was very lucky in that way. It really normalized being around a lot of different kinds of people, which is obviously great for living in Jersey City, which is a place with a lot of different kinds of people from a lot of different backgrounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=197.0,256.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes. And teaching ESL? Yes. Yes. So in Nairobi, you only spoke English there, right? Or did you learn one of the local languages, or how was your experience with local population?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=256.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: We mostly spoke English. The vast majority of people in Kenya speak at least a little bit of English. It is often used as a common language. It's kind interesting Kenya because they have, well, I guess English and Swahili are both sort of treated as common languages, and most people speak at least some of both of those. And then also traditional languages from their people like Kiku U for example. So a lot of people tend to speak three or four languages to at least some degree, but it's very easy to get a little lazy as an English speaker going in there because most people do speak English. But you pick up bits and pieces of Swahili here and there because it's just around you all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=271.0,312.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Do you remember any word or phrasings, Swahili that you really liked or that was common use of common use there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=312.0,320.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I mean, I was seven years old. We moved there in the mid 1990s and I was very pleased to find out that Hakuna matata is in fact a thing people say all the time in Kenya. I obviously learned it from the Lion King, but it wasn't made up. It's something people say a lot of the time that no worries. Una matata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=320.0,335.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Una matata means no worries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=335.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=336.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Had no idea. Oh, that's wonderful. So you would live there for seven years? Six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=337.0,345.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=345.0,345.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Six years. So you were 12, 13. 13 when you left. And where did you guys go, your family","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=345.0,353.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: At that point? We moved back to Scotland, and so I went to high school in Scotland. My brother went to university there and I ended up going to university in England myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=353.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay. So could you share about your university career? What did you do in university? University college, London. Right. London.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=364.0,374.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I studied Greek and Latin. There was a lot of focus on language and literature. Those were the things I was really interested in. And yeah, ancient languages are a little different than modern languages because you don't do the speaking part, which worked for me. I was always a little shy about trying to speak. I had had a number of years of French lessons all the way through school and I became quite decent at reading and writing it, but I was just never confident about speaking. And I think some of it was just I've learned from my own mistakes there. And part of that is don't be afraid to make mistakes. You will make mistakes, but that's okay. And you can make yourself understood even with making mistakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=374.0,415.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That's true. Yeah. So Greek and Latin, the classics, that was your major there. You did a program four years, five years, how?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=415.0,423.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Three years. Three","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=423.0,424.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Years, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=424.0,424.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, that's usually England.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=424.0,426.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay. So yes, I forgive my ignorance on the system. So from your experience learning classic languages, I mean how your perspective on French that you have learned in English was transformed and how that informed your teaching now of English as a second language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=426.0,449.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: So I was very lucky. I got to take some really interesting classes in my degree learning about history and development of both Greek and Latin over time. And so I learned a lot of things about how do languages change just as people speak them, what are the things that tend to happen? What kinds of vowel shifts or consonant shifts tend to happen? What things have happened in these languages? And because of that, we also learned a little bit of linguistics. It wasn't the focus of it, but we learned a little bit because we needed to. And I'll always remember my professor explaining to us that there are some things that as you get older as an adult, you lose the ability to distinguish between them. There are all these different phons, these different sounds that can be made and different languages use different ones of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=449.0,495.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And basically when you're a baby, you have the capacity to learn to distinguish any ones of these phons. But as you get older, your ear kind of loses the capacity to distinguish between the ones that aren't relevant in your particular language. And the example that our professor always used was this example of the aspirated P, that there's P without an aspiration and P with an aspiration. And as native English speakers, we can't hear the difference. But he said, you can feel the difference if you put your hand before your mouth and you say a word like spat, you don't feel a puff of air. And then if you say the word pat, you do feel the puff of air after the P. So there is a distinction there between the aspirated and non aspirated P, but because it's not a relevant distinction in English as native English speakers, we lose that ability to distinguish it. And so that was really interesting for me and it certainly helped me think about the way that when my students can seem to distinguish between certain sounds, it made me realize, oh, they literally can't hear it because of the way their brains developed as babies and young children when they were first learning languages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=495.0,557.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So I'm sure you had an interesting classics. And what did you have in mind as you were learning this to do professionally, if you will?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=557.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I really had no idea. I was always a nerdy kid. I loved learning and I never was very good at thinking about a professional life after it. And the one thing I always said I was never going to be was a teacher. My mother was a teacher, her mother was a teacher before her. I said, I'm going to break the cycle. I'm not going to be a teacher. And of course, guess what happened. But yeah, teaching is definitely something that I have friends who from a very young age absolutely knew they always wanted to be a teacher. And it was something that I never thought I wanted to do and I sort of fumbled my way into it. While I was in undergrad, I did do some private tutoring as my job sort of one-on-one lessons with kids who needed a bit of extra help with their Latin homework.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=570.0,620.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That sounds real in the United States or Latin homework. It's not the common in British education to learn classics in high schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=620.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: No, I would say it's only at private high schools. And even then, not all of them, but I also did a really interesting part of a project. It was called the Iris Project, and the idea was to bring classical education into state schools, what would be called public schools in the us, these state funded schools where they wouldn't be likely to have access to the sort of exclusive expensive education that most people who study classics get. And so for a year I would go in every week to just a little primary school out in Hackney in London, and I would just teach the kids some Greek myths and a little bit of Latin grammar. And that was really fun. I really enjoyed that and I really wasn't sure how I'd feel about it, but it was a great time. And so that gave me a sense that maybe teaching wouldn't be so bad after all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=630.0,679.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: But I didn't come back to it until I was in grad school working on my PhD, needing to make a bit of extra money and realizing that if I was hoping to get an academic job, I would definitely need some teaching experience. And very first, again, my very first class, I kind of stumbled into it. It was a university where a number of people from my program had been known to teach, and I sort of sent over my resume to the coordinator of that program and said, please keep me in mind if anything opens up. And then on Saturday night I got a phone call saying, we've had somebody drop out last minute. Can you start on Monday? And I had never taught graduate school before or undergrads before. I was in absolute panic. I had no idea what I was doing. And luckily a friend of mine taught the exact same class in a different section in the time slot right before mine. And she said, yes, please come into my first class. And so I did. I sat down, watched what she did, took frantic notes, and then turned around and did the exact same thing for my first class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=679.0,737.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How did it work out that first class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=737.0,740.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: It worked out okay. It was a real uphill learning curve for me, but I learned a lot of valuable things about preparation, about the need to, everyone always says stay one step ahead of the students,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=740.0,756.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: But there's also a lot of stuff that I think you can only learn from doing, which is like how do you deal with classroom dynamics? And those are always going to be different. That's definitely something I've learned over the years. I've been teaching college classes for eight years now, I think. And there's only so much you could control for. I've also learned that the importance of allowing for the unexpected, recognizing that it's going to happen no matter how much you prepare something is going to happen that you didn't anticipate. And sometimes you'll go to one class, bring the lesson plan to them, it's great, they're so engaged, they're so dynamic, you take the exact same lesson plan to another class and they're just not engaged at all. And there are all kinds of things that can affect that. And a lot of it is out of your control. So I've learned you just sort of bring your best, do your best, but also recognize that sometimes, sometimes it's not going to be perfect every time. And that's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=756.0,806.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yeah, and it's the whole context might not be only you, but just the class","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=806.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Sometimes the time of day, is everyone really sleepy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=811.0,814.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Or hungry? Yes. So after the uk, after London University College, London, do you move to the states again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=814.0,824.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=824.0,825.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So talk to us about that move and what you did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=825.0,831.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, so I graduated from my undergrad and I really didn't know what to do next. And I spent a few months doing this and that I did a couple of work experience things in various contexts, but eventually I had run out of money and ended up moving back in with my parents getting a minimum wage retail job. And I did my best while I was there, but I pretty immediately realized this is not what I want to do. I'm in my twenties now, I'm an adult. I love my parents, but I do not want to live with them as an adult. And so I started trying to figure out what should I do next? And I dunno, I wanted a big change. And so I started looking at graduate school in religious studies in California. So I found the school that I ended up going to, I read about it online and I immediately fell in love and submitted an application. And I remember my mother saying to me, should you apply somewhere else? What if you don't get into this school? And I said, there's nowhere else. This is where I want to go. And luckily for me, I got in financial aid and I was able to make that move, travel a few thousand miles away, go to California and get a master's degree studying religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=831.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Good for you. So which university, what drove you to study religion? What was your course of study if you would like to share?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=910.0,921.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, so I guess I started getting interested in religious studies towards the end of my undergrad degree because we were reading a lot of ancient texts, learning about the ancient world. And particularly if you're studying the Roman Empire, one of the big things that happens obviously during the Roman Empire is the birth of Christianity and the rise of Christianity. And especially when I took this class on sort of later Latin as it developed, obviously a big part of that became medieval Latin and church Latin. And so we were reading these church texts and I noticed, it was kind of interesting to me that in the history of studying classics, it seemed to me that people approach the text differently. They would look at it very differently if they were like, this is an ancient Roman text versus this is an ancient Christian text. And I was like, that's interesting to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=921.0,961.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Why are we treating these texts differently? What does that say about certain biases we bring? And it varies. If you are coming into it as a believing Christian, you're going to read the Christian text differently because you might treat them with more credibility if you're coming in as perhaps an atheist, which I was surrounded by a lot of people who were, I found people are treating those Christian text with more skepticism. And there'd be something where I'm like, well, you believe this when it's just written straightforwardly in an ancient text. Why do you have this more skepticism if it comes from a religious context? And so that started getting me very interested in these questions of how do people approach, not just, but eventually come to think all of society, what kinds of presuppositions do we bring? How does our religious upbringing or religious beliefs or religious sense of belonging affect the way that we interact with the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=961.0,1011.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1011.0,1011.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: That was really how I started getting interested in it. And so I decided I wanted to study religion and theology, and California was just one of those places that you'll always hear about it, you kind of dream of it. And so I think I just typed in graduate theological study California into Google, and the top result was the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, California. And so I applied and I went and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1011.0,1036.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: For How long were you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1036.0,1037.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Just two years. But it was a really meaningful two years of my life. I had a great time there. I made really fantastic friends who I still consider, even though we are scattered across the world at this point, they still my very dear friends my heart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1037.0,1051.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, that's wonderful. So how did you like California, that area? Northern California?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1051.0,1058.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I enjoyed it a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1058.0,1059.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Bay area,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1059.0,1061.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: The weather was good for me because there's sunshine, but not too hot. And I appreciate that. Yeah, it's a beautiful place to be and I made a lot of queer community there, which was important to me. But, and even this was a while ago now, and even when I've been back to visit, I do feel like the place is changing the nature of Silicon Valley. The gap between rich and poor is just getting wider and wider. And obviously that's the case most places if not everywhere, but it seems so stark there that I dunno if I would want to go back to live. But it was a wonderful place to be for those two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1061.0,1102.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And the French you made there, as you said, are all over now. I mean you have still some connections in the area or you just go visit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1102.0,1110.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I guess most people, my closest group of friends, again, it was a little diverse group I had, there was a group of five of us and it was one native Californian, a friend from North Carolina, a friend from Philly and her now husband who is, he's also lived an interesting life. His family is Korean, but he grew up mostly in the Philippines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1110.0,1137.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That's a very diverse group. But then it brings us to New Jersey. So after you got your master's in arts or master's in Divinity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1137.0,1147.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: A master in Arts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1147.0,1148.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Master in Arts. Okay. So after that you moved to New Jersey or there was a hiatus or what happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1148.0,1157.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I moved to New Jersey. I was also lucky. The grad school I really wanted to go to for my PhD admitted me. It was our junior university in New Jersey. 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Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1168.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: A beautiful town. You lived in Madison when you were going","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1170.0,1172.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: To school? Yes, I lived on campus for my first year, but I pretty much immediately met my spouse. And so the second year we moved in together and we've been living together ever since. 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Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1254.0,1257.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: But New Jersey is the part of the states. I've lived the longest place anywhere in the world. 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Have you been to Indiana?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1270.0,1272.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I have, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1272.0,1273.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Where in Indiana?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1273.0,1274.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Indianapolis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1274.0,1275.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Indianapolis, okay. It's a big city, but not quite like New York City or even, no, I've never been there. Okay, so you are at Drew? Yeah. And what was your course of study at Drew? Just getting back into the PhD?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1275.0,1291.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, so my PhD is technically in theological and philosophical studies and religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1291.0,1296.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: When I started it, it was just called theology and philosophy, but they changed the name I think to give us, try and make a bit more employable, apply to theology, philosophy and religious studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1296.0,1307.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you did your master's in California at the Theological Union on religion in general? It was very focused. What was the master's on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1307.0,1321.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: My master's degree sort of focused on this question of texts. It's kind of funny, I've moved away from an interest in religious text, but that's why I was my master's degree. And I was particularly interested in questions of how do we think about, think about reading and writing and communicating, especially in a digital age. There's a lot of interesting scholarship looking at comparisons between oral cultures, pre literate cultures, and then literate cultures and what changes and what are the similarities? 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So is this kind of in between oral and written? Is it a new thing altogether? How does that affect the way that we engage with our text and particularly with our sacred texts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1361.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So what is an interesting finding on that type of instantaneous communication that doesn't have to be, do you have any thoughts on that of the research that you did that you found it was interesting and salient about your master's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1385.0,1405.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean I read some really interesting books that were looking at how this actually winds up being relevant to teaching English, but it was about how young people on the internet use particularly this book was particularly focused on the use of fan fiction writing communities as a way for young people around the world to improve their English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1405.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: So you get these people who would come together around their fandom about a particular TV show, for example. 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And some people engage, might be native English speakers who help them improve their English, but they also might be people from people for whom English is not their first language, but they're more advanced in their English studies and they would help these other people and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1468.0,1478.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: They will help them all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1478.0,1479.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And part of what really struck my imagination about that is that it's something that these young people are passionate about and it gave them a motivation to learn more English and improve their English. 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I guess I'm still keeping in that focus on technology. That's something that has always interested me. But I guess I focus more on embodiment. How do we think about people's bodies? How do we think about people's bodies and technology? How is technology changing our bodies and how do people engage with that, including from a religious perspective, particularly when it comes to things like modifying your body medically, how do different religious communities think about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1530.0,1567.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay, so which religions have you explored for that, to make those connections in terms of embodiment? 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All of these questions are very interesting to me","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1630.0,1641.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: \n\nIn terms of sexuality and in terms of disability studies and being able to do particular things that might be normative or non-normative, depending on the context is that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1641.0,1656.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: \n\nThat's part of it. But also these questions of where do our general assumptions about things like sexuality get brought into the conversation. A lot of disabled people, for example, have talked about being viewed as inherently nonsexual beings that when you are visibly disabled in certain ways, people view you as, okay, this person is not, they're not a full adult, they're not a fully sexual being. Maybe they're not even seen as fully a man or fully a woman. There's been some really interesting research on particularly disabled men talking about the way that the culture makes them feel less of a man. And normative concepts of masculinity are often about being physically strong and powerful and physical accomplishments. So if you are somebody who, for various reasons of your body, you can't fulfill those normative expectations of masculinity, how does that affect your own understanding of yourself as a man? And a lot of people have come up with different ways of understanding themselves, a sense of masculinity that is not based on things like physical strength,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1656.0,1724.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Even though it's not frame as such that the idea of normative in everything, in every aspect of our identity is quite important. Now you are dealing with international people, with people from all over the place with different identities in terms of gender, sexuality, religion and linguistic and diversity in many ways. So the idea of normative of English as what is English? Is it English normative? Is there a way of having English as is there the English language? And I'm asking this to a person from the United Kingdom, from a Scotland to be more precise, just to connect to what you're dealing with now and all of your research. I don't want to bubble. What are your thoughts on all of this? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1724.0,1783.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I mean there's a scholar who has written about actually all of this stuff together. He writes about trends and disability and linguistics and translation, and he's written specifically about how he's a French speaking Canadian","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1783.0,1801.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Who's this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1801.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Aand Barri. It's like Alexander, but RE at the end instead of ER. And the last name is Barri, B-A-R-I-L. And so he's written about the experience of being this sort of French from French speaking Canada and disabled and transgender, and how all of these things disrupt people's expectations for you. And the challenges of going against the various forms of normativity,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1802.0,1826.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Including","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1826.0,1827.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: English normativity,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1827.0,1828.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Right? All kinds of aspects of the human experience can be seen as disruptive","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1828.0,1834.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: In ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1834.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1835.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I also think about a lot of this, when do people assume that other people are less intelligent than them? And one of the ways that people often do that is if you speak differently, if you speak with a speech impediment or a stutter, if you speak with a foreign accent, that's something a lot of people use as the sort of assumption, oh, this person is less intelligent or has less understanding than me. And I dunno, I think I always tell my students is that speaking English with an accent is proof that actually at least two different languages you actually have a lot of knowledge and a lot of understanding in there. And I really think we need to work on turning that assumption around in American culture, the people here, a non-native English accent and they think, oh, this person lacks understanding, they lack intelligence. Like no, actually they have worked very hard. It actually shows a lot of knowledge, a lot of intelligence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1835.0,1893.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you mentioned, I just please interject or add what you feel it's important, but just from all the research that you did at Drew, I asked you before about your master's for your PhD, what were your most salient findings? The thing that you have been the most, not necessarily proud, but intrigued or tickled by that you have worked with because some people has different experiences after they write their PhD, but what left you that experience based on the research that you did and the courses that you took there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1893.0,1936.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah. Well what I'm finding is that with every passing year, it feels like my research actually gets more relevant to everything that's going on. We have current government seems very determined to impose a lot of ideas about normativity. I feel every day I'm seeing these new headlines about things that they're going to do when they're talking about problems where they talk about autism as an epidemic. That's one thing that the government has been doing lately or banning transgender care or had a third example, but it ran out of my head","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1936.0,1978.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Banning people from the global south","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=1978.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Ban people from the global south. Absolutely. It's just all this cracking down on immigration has got me really, really concerned. But I think, I dunno, I see it as all kind of bound up together that some people in the United States have a very clear idea of who they think, who they think belongs, who is a real American, and they draw these boundaries that leave out all kinds of people, queer people, disabled people, people from other parts of the world, people of color. They draw these boundaries. 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And that, as you said, we create the other and create these normative concepts. I mean, so how do you see these research as, do you have any hope for this research percolating into policy or ideally it would, but you think it will happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2019.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I mean, who knows at this point the situation with universities in general, it's not looking super promising. I don't have a permanent job. A lot of people don't, A lot of universities are feeling the squeeze at the moment, so who knows what will happen. But I do think it's important. And even when I'm teaching, I try to provide my students with the skills to just look at what is happening around you, ask the right questions, identify what's going on underneath, what kinds of assumptions are embedded in the things people say and the things people do. 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Who is being seen as desirable, who is undesirable and why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2107.0,2124.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you thought at Drew, these were college students, well you were a graduate student and then now you teach in college too, and you are teaching at the learning center English as a second language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2124.0,2135.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2135.0,2135.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you are embedding this research, this knowledge, the critical thinking and inserting your research on these very important issues that are very present for all of us in your curriculum in the way that you're teaching any class that you might be teaching. So can you talk about classes that you have taught in the past now, including your English classes? How do you bring those up? These are different contexts, college and the library and ESL. So if you have any thoughts about this contrast of how you insert that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2135.0,2173.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, so I'm new to ESL, this is my first, I guess we're approaching the end of this academic year. This is my first year of teaching ESL. And as I mentioned, I've been teaching college classes in religion of various kinds for about eight years now. So yeah, it's been an education for me seeing what things are immediately transferable over and what are things that are specific to the English language learning classroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2173.0,2199.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: But I think my biggest approach in teaching is I just want to have conversations. I want to ask students questions and I want to get them asking questions. And that is something that I try to do in my general classes for the sake of critical thinking. But it has the added bonus in English language classes of getting everyone practicing their English. And so that's one thing I really appreciate about teaching English is that whenever we go off on any kind of discussion and tangents, I love going on discussions in tangents, but sometimes if I'm teaching a class on a particular topic and we're really off topic at a certain point I think, okay, we need to reign it back in, get back on topic. But I don't worry about that as much with English classes because we're talking English. It's all great practice. And that is the number one thing I think my students have said just because of the, just how it has worked out, the demographic of the students I happen to have at the moment. I think the thing that they value most is the opportunity to just practice talking in English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2199.0,2257.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: It's just so happened that all of my students for this academic year in English are, they're all moms and they're all from India from various different parts of it. They don't all speak the same native languages, but they are all Indian mothers. And when they have talked about their experiences, I think one thing that they all pretty much share is that as they're raising kids who are Americans, and these kids speak English out in the world, but they also want their kids to know their own ancestral languages. And so they try to speak those languages at home. But what that means as mothers, as homemakers, they are mostly speaking their native language and so they don't get as much of a chance to practice English as they would like. And so I see the classroom as it's a place where they can do that just talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2257.0,2311.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So how is that dialogue? Because you are teaching level five, that is the highest level that is taught at the learning center. So you get the opportunity to speak with your students in a way that it's more fluid than let's say teachers who teach level zero or level one or two. So how is that dialogue? Because as a professor it's a back and forth with students, you are the one who is instructing them, but you get, especially in the topics that you cover, you really challenging assumptions in the minds of people. And here you're teaching a language. So how are those dialogues that you have with your students in English? What are those conversations? What are the things that come up that have in a way affected you positively or negatively?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2311.0,2366.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean a lot of times they talk about their lives, they talk about their kids. I love hearing about that. I'm not a parent myself and have no plans to be, but I have a lot of friends who are, and I always enjoy hearing about kids. They're so funny and weird. I love hearing about the things that kids get up to. I love hearing their stories of that. So I hear about their families, some of the challenges of parenting, some they speak quite honestly about that. But also I love hearing about aspects of their home countries. Everyone has stories about the places they came from. We have a lot of fun comparing childhoods is a thing I enjoy doing. We talk about how were their children being raised, how were they raised, how was I raised? And the points of connection and the points of difference are always really, really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2366.0,2416.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: I want to come back to the normative thing because you research your work challenges that rightly so. What do you think about all those contrasts that you see not only as an ESL teacher here in Jersey City, but this is a very diverse place and not only in the United States but globally. So when you hear directly from your students or from seeing the lives of people that come from different countries, what are the biggest contrasts that you have that you heard or experienced in terms of how you grew up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2416.0,2451.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Well, I think one of the biggest things that my students talk about, and I think this is one of those things where I know I think they challenge the thing that is normative in American society and I think American society needs to hear it, but one of the things they talk about a lot is the feeling of being quite isolated in America. Everybody you live in your house with, it's the parents and the kids and they live in a house together and that house is their private domain and it's sort of just them. And they always say that back in our country, it takes a village, you have the aunties are around, the grandmas are around, everyone is around and everybody kind of has a hand in helping raise the kids. And to me, I think that's such a valuable critique of individualism of American society. And it's something I think about a lot that I feel like we always have this focus in politics and the media on this idea of the family, but if we're just thinking about the family as this self-contained isolated unit that is only responsible for itself, then I feel like we're missing out on how to live a good life. And so I think that's something that is a very important challenge to something that is normative in America and I feel it shouldn't be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2451.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Is it something that was similar during your childhood and British childhood or Scottish childhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2520.0,2526.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean my childhood I guess was not necessarily a typical British or Scottish childhood because I did spend most of it not living in the uk. And so my aunts and uncles and my grandparents were all on a different continent, so I couldn't necessarily spend as much time with 'em. Yeah, I do think my upbringing was maybe a little more isolated in some ways from extended family. But yeah, I think just appreciating this idea that there should be as many people as possible or involved in raising a child, I think is a good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2526.0,2569.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: But there are parallels between your childhood and the lives of the people here because they are also isolated because a lot of the people are in their home country. That is true. So yes, but to put it, that's a very interesting, that's the perspective on American society, on focused on the nuclear family, not on the extended family or what do you think about families, family only blood related or how do you see family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2569.0,2600.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Well, for me, this is a place where I feel like there's a really interesting possibility of dialogue between perhaps we might say more traditional cultures, but then also things like queer families that these are two different challenges to this idea of the nuclear family. But I think they have a lot of the same values underneath them. This idea that it's not just about who is directly a blood relative of the children. There is this sense of a community kind of pitching in together and helping this idea that a child should be able to feel safe around a lot of adults, have a lot of people around that the child can rely on, I think is something that is shared a lot between a lot of immigrant communities and communities in other parts of the world and queer communities. So to me that's a very fruitful place of potential dialogue that I think we could have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2600.0,2655.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So in queer communities, have you seen any differences or similarities in the different places that you have lived in the world, including in the United States that seems to be different worlds where you were in California, in Iowa and Alabama and New Jersey?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2655.0,2673.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I think it can vary a lot\n\nMT:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2673.0,2678.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And definitely I think being in New York area and being in the San Francisco Bay area or both places where there a lot of people are very openly queer, which is not necessarily the case as much in places like the Midwest and the South. But at the same time, I think I can't speak as much to the south. I was a small child when I lived there and it was very different context. But my friends in Iowa, they have a very strong community, a very strong sense of looking out for each other and being there for each other and standing up together when their local government is trying to take their rights away. And so I think there is something about that experience of adversity that does kind of bind people together in perhaps a tighter sense of community. And I think that's something very valuable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2678.0,2721.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So that brings us to the communities here in Jersey City where there is not such adversity in terms of the queer community badge. In terms of other communities, how you perceive that? I mean that's very insightful that you said the queer community in Iowa, it's very tight because you need to watch out for each other here, not so much. How do you feel about the relationships that we build depending on contexts and what do you observe in your students with their communities? And in contrast, I mean what you have experienced yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2721.0,2758.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean I think there is definitely a tendency among a lot of immigrant communities to, you come to a new country and you find other people who are from the same country that you came from because it does give you something in common.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2758.0,2770.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And I do think it's interesting the way that sometimes perhaps the differences you might've had back home can fall away. I know some of my students were talking about, they're from different parts of India and some of them were talking to me about in India, there's a big rivalry between people from the south and people from the north and they have all these stereotypes about each other. But I think a lot of that doesn't necessarily hold in the United States because it's like, well, you're bound together by the fact that you're both from India. So there is that. It is not the same kind of being bound together by adversity, but it is a little bit the same thing of being bound together by adversity a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2770.0,2806.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It's that kind of sorority or fraternity of that. Yeah, that's very interesting. So how do you like your life here in Jersey City? Because you have lived here 10 years, you are 37, 36, 36,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2806.0,2824.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2824.0,2824.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You're 36 years old. You lived 10 years of your life in Jersey City, so it's a chunk. This is a place where you have lived for the longest or still remains the uk","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2824.0,2839.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: No, I think it's here. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2839.0,2840.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It's here. Okay. Where is home for you? When you think of home, what's home for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2840.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I think this maybe is an experience that a lot of immigrants have is the experience of feeling like there are multiple places that can be considered home","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2850.0,2859.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: In","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2859.0,2859.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Different ways. Definitely the number one place that for me is home is just where am I with my spouse When we are together, that's home. But I do think really come to see Jersey City as our home in a lot of ways. And we love it here. We love the sheer amount of different kinds of people. We love the fact that just on our block we have our next door neighbor is decorating everything for Diwali and then we are putting up our menorah and we love that we have all these different kinds of people say hi to. We love all the different kinds of food that we have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2859.0,2901.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Is your spouse Jewish or are you Jewish?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2901.0,2904.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: So I'm Jewish on my mother's side. My spouse grew Unitarian, which is kind of its own little thing, but feels a lot of affinity for Judaism and spend a lot of time with Jewish culture. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2904.0,2918.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: If you don't mind me asking, personal, do you practice any religion? Judaism is either the religion you practice? Yeah. Okay. So you practiced Judaism since you were a young child, you went to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2918.0,2931.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: My upbringing was really more Christian than Jewish. It was mostly Christian with a little Jewish stuff and I feel like I reversed that as an adult. I would say mostly Jewish with a little sprinkling of Christian stuff occasionally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2931.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: When you grew up, you grew up in Church of England or one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2940.0,2943.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, mostly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2943.0,2945.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay, alright. Did you have any contact with Jewish communities in the UK or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2945.0,2954.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Not really a ton. My mother grew up very secular Jewish, so they weren't really involved with synagogues or anything. I have some cousins that they're my main contact with, I guess Jewish communities in the uk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2954.0,2968.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What's the experience of here? Do you go to a temple?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2968.0,2973.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I did for a bit. I'm not currently going, but I do have more of a sense of Jewish community. I have Jewish friends and Jewish community to do things with, which is nice. I just think a lot of the places I've lived, there isn't that much of a community in Kenya. There isn't a large Jewish community in Scotland. There are small Jewish communities, but not a huge amount. So that's been nice for me is just experiencing different religious community for myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2973.0,2997.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So Judaism in America, how do you see it as a Jewish person here and you've lived in other places? I mean, what's your experience? And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=2997.0,3009.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I think it's very interesting. There's a lot of complicated history of Judaism in America, of different waves of immigration. And one of the things I think the Jewish community, probably every community has had its own sort of internal rifts. And one of the interesting phenomena of Judaism in the United States is that when you had this whole wave at the beginning of the 20th century, you got a big wave of Eastern European, Yiddish speaking Jews coming to America. And a lot of the people who had Jews who had been in America longer kind of tend to look down on them a little bit and be like, oh, they're not sophisticated like us. They haven't assimilated to America the way that we have. And I think to me that's just sort of a lesson in what not to do. I feel like it's important for communities to kind of try and have more solidarity with each other and recognize we don't have to be exactly the same to identify with each other. We can have those differences and we shouldn't feel the need to feel superior or try to change the things that other groups do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3009.0,3079.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: But I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3079.0,3079.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Think it is definitely a temptation. I think if you are any kind of minority group in somewhere like America, once you get a little bit of security, you want to cling onto that. And if you do feel like that is being threatened, you can get very possessive about it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3079.0,3095.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Unfortunately. Why so why do you think that, I mean that's obviously dangerous, but why do you think there is that feeling of possessive attitudes about your Judaism, specific Judaism there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3095.0,3115.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I really think a lot of it is fear. It's just this feeling that it is a classic immigrant story. You come somewhere looking for a better life for your kids. That's what every immigrant wants. They work hard. The dream is that your children won't have it as hard as you do that they won't have to work as hard, that they'll be a bit more settled, that maybe they'll feel like they truly belong to this country, that you feel like an outsider too. And I think the fear is that something will come along and take that away. That if they start being seen too much as Jews rather than Americans, for example, that there's a risk that it could all be taken away from them. So I do think it is mostly about fear and I understand where that fear comes from, but I think we need to have more of a sense of compassion and solidarity with each other and not feel the need to not just immediately run to that possessive","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3115.0,3166.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Place","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3166.0,3167.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: With fear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3167.0,3168.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: When a place like the United States is a very religious country, no matter what religion it is, people are very religious of any group. And here in Jersey City there are strong religious communities from different religions of how do you perceive that as a person who is religious yourself? Different religions, not just the different Judaisms, but other major religions and also smaller groups that have the religious identity center and forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3168.0,3207.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean I love it. I love living in a community where there's so many different people doing different things. And I think it's so easy to have this perspective on religion and religious history where sadly, because this has been the reality in a lot of times and places where people feel like my religion is right and your religion is wrong and therefore you need to change. But there have always been, and I hope there always will be places and times where people do find a way to coexist and say, my thing is right for me, your thing is right for you and we can live together. And that's really cool. And I think Jersey City at its best shows a lot of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3207.0,3245.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Have you learned about other religions, aside from Christianity and Judaism by living here in Jersey City, being more exposed to other traditions or being involved in any way with other people who practices Islam or Hindus religions or Buddhism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3245.0,3265.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I think we have a lot of Muslims and have a lot of Hindus in Jersey City and that's just nice to see. Again, some of it just reminds me of my childhood in Kenya that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3265.0,3273.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3273.0,3274.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: My school was at least half south Asian, we had a lot of Hindus and a lot of Muslims also Buddhists in Janes in my school. And so that's nice for me. But yeah, I also just sometimes even with my students in class, we can have these interesting conversations. And one of my students recently told me that something she does that she feels very spiritually meaningful is when she's exercising really hard when she's done with feeling that real exhaustion, that's a moment that she feels very sort of spiritually connected and it's a good moment to pray. And I was like, that's really interesting. I'm going to try that. And I saw that because she's Hindu, I'm Jewish, but we can share these experiences in really interesting ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3274.0,3315.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Do you feel that you get to share your religion with other people who does not practice Judaism here more than in other places or not? Or is something that you personally, you and your spouse don't do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3315.0,3327.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: It really depends. There are more Jews here than, for example, in Iowa, when I was in Iowa, it was very small Jewish community. Most of my friends were not, and they just knew less about it because they had less exposure to it. And I did enjoy sort of sharing things like, Hey, here's a fun fact to know. And actually the university where I worked, they put on a production of a stage musical that was about a Jewish wedding, and they actually brought me in to basically do some consultancy work with the students. None of them were Jewish and just talked to them about Jewish culture and they said it helped them understand a bit better some of the characters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3327.0,3363.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, that's fantastic. The Hoopa. Fantastic. Okay. You have dealt with so many aspects of human experience, like more than many people who have been interviewed here at an academic level, and you have brought that into the classroom and in your life. And so what are other things that you'd like to add to this discussion? Things that have been salient for you in your journey teaching this last year? Teaching people to speak English, people who are very advanced too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3363.0,3405.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean, I guess just even how I got into the teaching English is it's kind of a little Jersey City story. I as mentioned, I've been teaching at different colleges, but I don't have a permanent job. So looking for other stuff to do to fill my time. And I wanted to maybe expand my horizons a bit. And my spouse serves on the Path Rider's Council that sort of works with the path trains and tries to look at ways to improve them for the community. And somebody who's also on the council is also an English teacher, the library. And so that's how I heard about it and I got interested and decided to look into it and apply and start teaching. But to me that's a good example of how civic engagement, I dunno, it breeds more civic engagement, that it is really easy to just live in a community and not necessarily get involved with stuff. But once you do start getting involved with things, you meet more people and find out more things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3405.0,3461.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3461.0,3461.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I quite like that It is through this path, writer's council, that my spouse loved how I learned about these English classes and started teaching them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3461.0,3469.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It's a Jersey City story of putting together the dots. Yes. So how do you see your future? What would you like to do? Maybe we cannot see the future, but what would you like to do? What is next? Would you like to travel or learn another through this experience? You mentioned when you started talking about college that you didn't know you wanted to be a teacher and you study classics, you were interested in classics, but you were not really thinking about what you wanted to do with it. And then kind of a scaffold your career has been scaffolded, moved into different things through your interests. So has this experience modified some of your dreams or, I dunno.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3469.0,3522.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean I think it's definitely helped open me up to the possibilities of different kinds of teaching. And I've actually also recently started teaching some individual music lessons. I have a friend here in Jersey City who runs a little music school and so I've been teaching some flute and some piano lessons and it's just trying another kind of teaching and I think it's definitely helped me become a bit more open to that possibility and not just feel like, oh, I can only teach college classes all I've ever done. But actually a lot of skills are transferable to different kinds of education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3522.0,3553.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You're a musician too. Would you like to speak a little bit about what you do aside from teaching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3553.0,3560.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, so I guess music is one of my main hobbies. I had many years of flute and piano lessons and it's very enjoyable to be able to turn around and share that with people now. But I also sing, I've sung in choirs for a lot of my life actually. Actually where my spouse and I met was at grad school, but in choir. In choir. And I currently sing with a barbershop, chorus, Gotham Chorus in New York","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3560.0,3585.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Gotham course. Okay, okay. So I'm going to take a picture of Alright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3585.0,3594.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: But yeah, and I think, dunno a lot of hobbies, it makes a lot of interesting connections. There's the idea of being part of a community where everybody brings their own thing, but together you kind of make something that is bigger than the sum of the parts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3594.0,3613.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And\n\nI kind of feel like that's at its best, that's what education could be as well. But it does feel like we sort of create something bigger than ourselves. And one of the things I've come to really appreciate over the course of this year of teaching is that I started out, I was very nervous. I think that the students were a little wary as well. We didn't know each other. And now I feel like we've just built up such a good rapport. I just feel like we have a lot of fun. And I dunno, that to me is something that is really quite special about that classroom experience over time. Building up that relationship, that ability to have fun, that getting to know each other a little bit. And I think really think that's something that carries over from things like singing in a chorus. I sort of see those connections there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3613.0,3662.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And then there are more practical things too. We do a lot of stuff like work with diction than some of that. It can be surprisingly helpful with thinking about teaching and pronunciation.\n\nMD:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3662.0,3674.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. What do you hope for Jersey City in the face of all the changes, especially these new waves of migration, different people and political turmoil and national level. I mean, what did you hope for all that everybody can learn from diversity that these new forms of diversity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3674.0,3699.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean I hope Jersey City will continue to be kind of a beacon. I always felt very proud that it tends to be consistently among the top two or three most diverse cities in the US and it makes me very proud to be a part of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3699.0,3710.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And I hope that will continue and I hope other people will see that and sort of see what a cool place this is. I think this is a time where a lot of things are very scary. Part of why I'm very happy and proud to be part of this teaching program through the library is because I think it is so important to support immigrants right now to very vocally make a positive case for immigration at a time when we've had so many years of immigrants being really demonized in media and politics. And I think it's really important to be able to stand up and say, look, actually immigration is a beautiful thing. Diversity is a beautiful thing. We are a cooler and stronger and more interesting community because of this diversity that it's a real strength and it's really something beautiful. Yeah, I feel very passionately about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3710.0,3764.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: I'm going to ask you a very dumb question. What is an American in the face that what is American?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3764.0,3775.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I mean I think that's something that is very embattled right now. People have very different visions for what that could be or should be. And for me, I think I want to believe in the best of what an American can be that that it can be all of the things that it's supposed to be. We have a Statue of Liberty right here in New Jersey. People say it's in New York, but it's in New Jersey. And it has that great poem about the bring the huddled masses. And to me that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3775.0,3809.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Lazarus. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3809.0,3811.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: To me that's what America can be and should be. And so much of its history is not being that. And there are so many people in power who want to stop it from being that. But to me that's that thing of just you can come here, you can be a part of it, you don't have or you shouldn't have to sacrifice your individuality, your culture, where you come from that you can bring that and sort of bring it. Yes. And it's all part of making up a big, I dunno, I think of it a little bit like a quilt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3811.0,3841.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: That","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3841.0,3841.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: You have a quilt, you can attach all these different squares to it and you can keep expanding it and you can bring on the new quilt squares and all these different colors and all these different patterns and they just kind of make it more vibrant and more beautiful. And to me that's what it should be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3841.0,3855.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It should be. And you are British too. Scottish. How do you feel about your identity, your British identity, Scottish identity? Many people don't understand it that the UK are many countries and also has a very complex colonial history. So do you still, you are American, no. But how do you feel in terms of national identity now that you are among people who have other national identities too? And there are many of them, like when you were in other countries like you here, they're not transient, many of them will be staying. So how do you feel about that other part of you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3855.0,3895.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, well I definitely, I recognize that I'm very privileged that it's one of the reasons that I wanted to start teaching English and helping out other immigrants was recognizing that I had an easier time than most immigrants. I come from the United Kingdom, which is largely seen as a air quote, desirable country. It's not one of the places that is being viewed with all these negative stereotypes. I'm a native English speaker, so it made it a lot easier for me. But also even with that immigrating is really hard. It was really difficult. And as a student I had to go through this really complicated process of applying for my student visa and getting that and then applying for the green card was really expensive and difficult. And then again, for citizenship. And so recognizing even with all my advantages, it's still really hard. I wanted to give back to make it a little easier for people who don't have those advantages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3895.0,3949.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: But yeah, it's definitely a complicated thing. Being from the uk I think the UK has not done a great job of facing up to its own colonial histories. And I think it's important to try to do that. And so one of the things I try to do is be really clear, clear-eyed about that and recognize that I come from a long line of people who probably did really terrible things. And that doesn't define who I am, but I have to own that. It's part of why I'm here. And I think I need to be able to recognize that and say that is part of my history. It's not something that I'm proud of, it's not something I want to claim and it's certainly not something I want to do myself, but it is part of that history. I need to recognize how it has shaped the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3949.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And I also feel like it does give me a bit of a responsibility to try to try and do something better. In Judaism, there's this concept of Tik la to heal the world. And that's sort of seen as a basic obligation for a lot of people. It's kind of a Jewish morality thing. And I feel like that should also be a thing. If you come from a history of people who have done bad things in the world, you should kind of take it upon yourself to try to make things better in at least a small way that you can. And I think maybe in the US maybe we can also try to do that. Look at the times that the US has acted in a less than stellar manner. And instead of saying, oh, we should go back to those times, perhaps say those were mistakes, we should try to make sure we don't do that again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=3990.0,4037.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So this is something that I ask people whose language is not English their first language. So you might perceive this in a different way. So you are a very open and brilliant person, but how do you perceive the way that in the UK and in the United States, people deals with people who do not speak English as a second language and it's impossible to isolate their nationality, how they identify. But simply how do you see Americans dealing with people who are learning English? And how do you see people from the UK or from Scotland specifically dealing with people learning to live with that new language at any level of proficiency?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4037.0,4088.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I would say there's a lot of variety. There are obviously some people who are really intolerant of it and sort of think, oh, you need to, why don't you already speak English perfectly or are really antagonistic towards people. But there are also a lot of people who are very open and are very sort of like, let's work together to try to make ourselves understood. Let me help you get what you need. And so I think so many things in life, there's the best of humanity and there's the worst of humanity. And I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4088.0,4117.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you wouldn't stereotype either or particular place to have more tolerance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4117.0,4124.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I think it varies so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4124.0,4126.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It varies so much. Absolutely. That's a very, I'm not surprised you answered that way. And have your attitudes changed, not only teaching English, but all these years meeting different people has anything, we are all constructed in different ways. Some more privileged than others, but through experiences, sometimes our own biases are challenge. Is there anything in particular you'd like to share about having these intercultural context throughout your life that has changed lately?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4126.0,4164.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I think just the thing that I learned, the more the older I get, the more people I meet, the more I feel like the vast majority of people are just doing their best. And your ability to do your best is perhaps it's shaped by where you come from. It's constrained by a lot of factors. But I do think most people are just trying to do their best and sometimes their best is working with very incomplete information and perhaps they need a little more information. Perhaps they're becoming at a place of fear of stereotypes. But I do think, I dunno, I do think that I do have hope. I do want to believe the best of humanity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4164.0,4207.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4207.0,4207.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I do think that you asked a previous question about how people respond, react to English language learners. And I do think that everyone was going to speak in sort of broad strokes. It does seem to be one of those things where it's like the less exposure you have to different kinds of people, the more fear you have about it and the more of a chance you do get to spend around other people, people from different cultures, people who speak different languages, the more you do realize, oh, they're just people. We may have all these different experiences and a lot of fascinating things we can talk about. But at the end of the day we do share a common humanity and we do have a lot of things in common and we all kind of want to try our best. And I do believe that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4207.0,4249.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Well you lived in Kenya, they speak English, but Swahili and other indigenous languages. But let's talk a little bit about the people from the UK and Scotland under United States under language education, foreign language education. What do you have to say about that? So you have brought up the aspect of exposure that exposure brings tolerance, people getting to know more about other people and challenging their stereotypes. And maybe that was not a very enlightening question that I ask you because you are a very open-minded and bright person, but I am have been exposed throughout your life. But just at the basic level in the education system of English speaking countries and also the UK is linguistically diverse, there are other languages there. And then here the United States, there are indigenous languages that are not taught. So do you feel about, what are your thoughts about the Anglo speaking world, English speaking world, and their linguistic exposure with the rest of the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4249.0,4324.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I think it leaves a lot to be desired. I think certainly in my experience, the educational systems of the Anglosphere, they just don't teach foreign languages very efficiently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4324.0,4336.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: It's very much kind of siloed off into its own little thing. Certainly I think maybe this is changing a little bit, but certainly when I was there, British schools focused mostly on learning French, which that's fine, but also how relevant is that to a lot of people's lives? I think especially with increasing immigration from other parts of the world where French is not necessarily people's native languages, it's not perhaps the language you're going to use to talk to your neighbors. But even with that, I got very frustrated with the way that it was taught to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4336.0,4368.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: I remember asking my French teacher about some aspect of French grammar and her response was, oh, you don't need to know that for the exam. I was like, I'm trying to learn the language and as an adult I obviously understand where she was coming from. The thing that teachers are judged on is what exam results do their students get And they don't have infinite time and energy to individualize for every student who has questions about the grammar. But at the same time, I just think that the way that system is set up is very frustrating because it's not conducive to actually learning a language. So yeah, I don't have the answers, but I definitely think there are things that can be done better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4368.0,4411.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What do you think about here in the United States if you've been here doing higher education, so you haven't been in high school here, but how do you feel about the level of comfort of Americans? And I'm talking Americans in the broad sense, diverse, ethnically diverse Americans with different national origins, but they are only speaking English. So what are your thoughts about that? You mentioned that your students try to maintain their languages at home, but there is resistance sometimes from the children who are raised here. So what do you think about the system itself of putting aside the families and all of that and exposure to other languages here in this country?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4411.0,4458.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I definitely think it should be better. It could be better. I think there are some places that are doing better, but from what I understand, really the best thing you can do is raise kids bilingual or at least getting as much exposure to different languages as possible from a very early age. And I think there are some communities that are doing, excuse me, that are doing something like that. But I think there definitely needs to be more of that because apart from anything else, I think it would serve to break down some of those barriers of resistance that as a child grows up, if you grow up taking for granted that speaking multiple languages with different people, I think it will be harder for things like politicians to stoke a bunch of fear in you. Like fear of different kinds of people and people speaking different languages. That will seem less frightening to you if you have grown up speaking multiple languages yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4458.0,4509.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you speak French, you read French, the classics classic Latin and Greek, and I don't know, what are the degrees of Greek and Latin in terms of the temporal degrees? Forgive my ignorance. And so you have had engaged with texts in other languages. Do you speak Hebrew or Rka?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4509.0,4532.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: My Hebrew is not very good. It used to be better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4532.0,4535.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh wow. So another language. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4535.0,4538.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah. I am studying some Yiddish now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4538.0,4541.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yiddish. Okay. It's Germanic. Yes. So in your engagement with other texts in their original language, are there any things that you can say about engaging with those texts in the original language, which they were written, not English, but the other ones, and then seeing them in English. What have you gotten from reading them in their original language? If you have any example that you can give no matter the languages, not English, but you read the original language and then you read it in English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4541.0,4576.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, for me, I dunno, it just feels like being able to know a whole different dimension of a text to know the original language very much. I appreciate literary translators, I love reading books in translation from languages. I don't personally know. I'm very glad those people do that. But there is also something I do feel like, yeah, it's like having a whole extra dimension open up a door and finding there's a whole extra room there. This thing where sort of like, oh, I understand this. And I, even with Latin, there's certain grammatical constructions they use in Latin and we just don't have an identical one in English. And there's something about understanding like, oh, you can read it in translation and if it's a good translator you can get the meaning and you can get a lot of literary beauty from it. But there is something about being able to recognize aha, that is an of absolutes that, I dunno, for me it really feels like a whole extra world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4576.0,4629.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you have experienced the power of language and the context that language brings kind of opening something that it's otherwise obscure by having just one language. So any other things you'd like to add or you'd like to share? It's been wonderful getting to know you and learning about what you have done and it's just a small part of all things you have done. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4629.0,4662.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Yeah, I mean I very much appreciate my students and I'm grateful that they give me the opportunity to work with them and learn things from them. And I definitely feel like, I really do think that education, it's a two-way street, that I learn things from my students. It's not going to be the same things that they learned from me, but I really do feel very strongly that the teacher is changed by the education just as the students are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4662.0,4693.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yeah. Well thank you so much Max.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4693.0,4696.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MT: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969#t=4696.0,4695.432"}]},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163057/file/296969/transcript/86665/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/086/665/original/TJCMP-01_0015_T01.docx?1762619132","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/086/665/original/TJCMP-01_0015_T01.docx?1762619132"}]}]}]}