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He discusses his studies at Pratt Institute, his experience learning English at JCFPL’s Learning Center in Jersey City, New Jersey, and the challenges of translating Chinese cultural ideas into Western contexts. Today, Xiyun sees English not just as a tool for communication, but as a bridge to new ways of thinking. His experience highlights how art and language are closely connected, and how learning a new language can open paths to understanding different cultures—and oneself.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Themes"]},"value":{"en":["Chinese immigrant experience, language learning journey, professional requalification challenges, bilingual parenting, cultural adaptation, navigating Jersey City community resources"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Jersey City Free Public Library"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["oral history","interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["English as a Second Language at the Learning Center: Learning English, Living in English (part of)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Jersey City (N.J.) 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He discusses his studies at Pratt Institute, his experience learning English at JCFPL\u0026rsquo;s Learning Center in Jersey City, New Jersey, and the challenges of translating Chinese cultural ideas into Western contexts. Today, Xiyun sees English not just as a tool for communication, but as a bridge to new ways of thinking. His experience highlights how art and language are closely connected, and how learning a new language can open paths to understanding different cultures\u0026mdash;and oneself.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eRecording and participant contributions are made available under the \u003ca href=\"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eCreative Commons License CC0: Public Domain Dedication\u003c/a\u003e. This work has been dedicated to the public domain. 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It is March 25th, 2025. This is the Jersey City Memory Project. Miriam Dominguez here speaking with Xiyun Xu, one of our interviewees for the memory project. ESL living in English, learning English. Hello, we please introduce yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Hi Miriam. Thank you for having me here. Well, my name is Xu. So I came from China and I already stay three years so far in Jersey City, in the Hudson County. I lived on Grand Street in an apartment there. I lived with my wife and my newborn son. Yeah, recently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=25.0,56.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Congratulations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=56.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Thank you. Well, after I quit my full-time job from last year, I decided to get a new training about English. So that's why I choose Jersey City's free library. Yes, our language program study English. Again, I'm already in my thirties, so it's another journey for myself I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=57.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So when did you start learning? English","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=90.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well, back into days when I still in China, in my primary school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=94.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: In your primary school? That was how long ago? Which year? Approximately","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=98.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Around probably in my seven years old, so that means 23 years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=105.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: 23 years ago. Okay, wonderful. So, you mentioned that you have changed careers. Can you tell us a little bit about your career background? What do you do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=112.0,123.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, well I used to be an artist, a sculptor. I pursued my bachelor's degrees of sculptor in China in my hometown, actually Hangzhou, there is an academy called China. Sorry, what was that again? China Academy of Art. Yeah, I got my bachelor degree there and I remember I graduate there in 2018 and after that I think I has to change my location actually because back into that days I'm thinking, oh, probably that's the highest ceiling I'm touching in China in my hometown if I want to be a sculptor. So probably that's all. So that's why I changed my location to the US because during that times I used to study two kind of languages. One, as I mentioned before, is English from my primary school until now. And the second one is Italian, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=123.0,219.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, do you speak Italian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=219.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX:Just a little bit but almost forgot. So probably right now I only know fungi. That always means mushroom. Oh, is that right? Okay. And the other thing is ciao","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=221.0,233.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Ciao","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=233.0,237.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well, why I decided to study just a short term of the Italian because right before 2018 in my education, my professor just told me, oh probably you should go to have a look in the Renaissance art. So really important in human history art. So their location is Florence and Rome and also you can dig it further like Asian Rome or Asian Greek arts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=237.0,281.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So that's why probably some of the professors they asked me, oh, you should go there. And the other options would be, oh, probably I should study Russia a little bit because they have the also really famous art school there because in the modern-day PRC, so it's the modern day \n\nChina,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=281.0,304.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: It has received a huge influence by USSR before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=304.0,310.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So also the academy system is like the inherited from the USSR,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=310.0,318.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: The art education. That's the second option. But finally I choose English. So that's why also the other reason why I decided to go America because the language test called tofu, they're in their testing examples. Actually they mentioned a lot about contemporary art and also that's one of fancy stuff for me back into that days I think, oh probably those guys really take care of, they pay attention to art during the test. Because before that, such as in China, the ING days about the test and they're not, I mean probably they're just get rid of the art scenes. But in America I think, oh probably they're doing really good stuff there. So I decided to move to America to pursue my master degree of fine art. And then I studied in Pratt Institute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=318.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=389.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: When did you move to the United States?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=390.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well, the first time, yeah, 2019 actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=394.0,398.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: 2019. Okay. So, you have been living here for six years now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=398.0,402.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yes. Yeah. But before that, so the first three years I stayed in Brooklyn because being a student in that location. And after I graduated also I met my wife during my master's. So that's why she is one of the reason I moved to Jersey City because she rent the apartment here. And since then, probably 2022 I moved to here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=402.0,441.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Is your wife an artist as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=441.0,443.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: She is a photographer. She's a photographer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=443.0,445.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=445.0,445.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Technically you can call her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=445.0,447.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yeah, that's an artist. That's an Oh wow. So you moved here because when you took the TOEFL exam, the interest on the fine arts in the teaching of English language was so salient. So you felt that people were interested in fine arts. That was the impression that you got reason,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=447.0,471.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: That's first impression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=471.0,472.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That's the first impression. Okay. So, tell me a little bit about your life as an artist in China and what are the contrasts that you have felt moving to the United States and trying to do everything in English here as an artist, as a student, as a family man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=472.0,494.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well, in China, why? I think if I keep going to be trying to be a sculptor,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=494.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=504.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: A really hard for myself, they don't need such sculptures. I think they are good because back into those days before the pandemic, the Chinese economic things really grew really fast. So that means they're doing a lot of urbanization, plants and why my professors got their commissions sculptures because of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=504.0,544.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Because if there is a new community built up, I mean not the people getting there, it means they build the buildings, the house, like a new apartment there. So they will need something like decorations for that area. And that kind of decorations in public area is sculpture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=544.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MDSo, what's your medium for sculpture? What materials did you work in? China,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=569.0,575.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: It's clay and then we will cast that into plaster. And if you got money like funding, you can cast them into bronze","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=575.0,584.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Actually. Okay, is it the lost wax technique?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=584.0,587.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: It is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=587.0,587.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That’s right, okay.  So that’s the work that you did. Did you trained in that when you were in China?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=587.0,594.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, figurative sculpture. That's what I've studied,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=594.0,599.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: My major actually. And why I certainly find, oh probably that's not my goal anymore. Because when I noticed that if I keep going to pursue my master of degree there still I can stay in my old school there. But my professors, their commissions are turning to be the soldiers and historical, not the heroes but kind of the famous man in Chinese history, but their way, their expression use sculpture, that kind of art language I don't agree with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=599.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay, alright. So, you had trouble accepting that type of commission, wouldn't you be comfortable working on that sort of thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=656.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: And at the meantime it's also in the time preparing and studying for the TOEFL. So, I found, oh probably in America people do think the contemporary artist, they can bring more value to the society. So that means they pay more attention to the contemporary thoughts, not the outdated stuff. So they pay more attention on the living guys, not the guys. So that's one of the reason I think probably I will give up my career there and then I'm moving to here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=666.0,710.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What make you want to be an artist in the first place? When you were in China, what made you choose the path of a sculpture?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=710.0,723.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Before I decided my major as a sculpture is purely just art. So that means before I got enrolled in my bachelor’s degree school, I studied a lot sketching and what kind? Arctic painting actually things like that. Not doing sculpture.\n\nBack in that days because myself, I still a city boy, so I don't have that resources to make sculptures actually, because to make a place sculpture and to foundry that into bra, it takes a lot of resource and the space that's not a, it's impossible to do in your own apartment actually, right? Yes. So that's why and the first time I got interested in art, actually it's my mom find me when I was a baby, probably according to her memory, it's like one day I pick up a pencil and at that day I think we live in a hotel, I dunno why I'm in a hotel, but my mom always loved traveling. So probably she brought me there and in a hotel room I got the pen and the note and somehow I saw a map of that hotel actually, and I pick up my pen and just drawing the similar things on the notepad and my mom suddenly saying, oh probably this boy has the talent to be an artist. So that's how everything got started I think. And the second thing for myself, I can notice it consciously, I want to do more things about art is during probably in my middle school actually, but back in that days also in my hometown, the families and they are really thinking, oh this guy should get a really high score in the Chinese SATs. So that's why you can get into a famous university.\n\nBut in my case, I think I personally think, oh probably that's not my dish because I think, oh, the study only through the textbooks is really boring, also tedious for me. So at that days, even though in the math class our teachers talk about the science cosign things, but in my case I'm thinking, oh that's just something I can learn maybe later. But for now I want to use my time just doing some doodling on my next book and also at that time after school, not after school program. So if I go back home, there will be one or two hours leisure time for myself. I will use my time to watch Japanese animations. So that's really a contrast to the boring school teachings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=723.0,955.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So that gave me thinking, oh people can do things like animation, they're so interesting. And also they taught a lot of knowledge actually for myself in that kind of media thing. I mean kind of art animation. So that's why probably the last year in my middle school I told my parents probably I will fail the normal Chinese essay at attest. So can I just go into a different career to be an artist? And my mom agree with that. But my mom, my dad actually is a conservative guy and he thought, oh probably no. But ultimately my mom convinced him. So that's why I can enjoy my days to being a artist in that way. So during my high school time, because I already decided and also my family decided, oh probably this young boy should go to their career. So my mom find some teachers, our teachers to guide me personally at home. And also I attend some afterschool programs studying sketch and also how to drawing and painting. And also my high school, they do have a program provide the similar trainings if you want to be an artist or a designer back in their language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=955.0,1071.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So after training three years, I mean officially training as a artist during my high school days I'm lucky and get into the China Academy of Art and started my career as an artist. And after the first year studied in that academy I think, oh probably three dimensional art. I got more fascinated by that thing because for the paintings at that days, the oil paintings because they think, oh, oil painting is a higher rank technique than arctic painting. But oil painting, they need the stuff. Unlike some chemical stuff that for my nose, I can't stand that. So that's why I think, oh probably that's not my things too. So that's why I changed to sculpture. And also because of the influence of Japanese animation during my high school days I started collecting some collectibles figures or they called in Japanese animation and I think, oh probably when I graduate I can do the similar things. And they are kind of the tabletop smaller size sculptures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1071.0,1152.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, what is your favorite animation series from Japan? One.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1152.0,1161.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: It's hard to say that so much. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1161.0,1166.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Do you consider these representations as important as high art for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1166.0,1173.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Do you mean which ones?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1173.0,1173.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You mentioned that you had been very interested in Japanese animation and you saw that as artistic expression, not only the European oil paintings, but you were also admiring other artistic expressions, and it sounds like you were a very independent thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1173.0,1192.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well, that's a tricky question. Yeah, please go for it. When you brought up the European traditional like oil paintings, that’s a different story in China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1192.0,1202.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Because?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1202.0,1203.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: For modern day Chinese people, even though we studied in academic realm,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1203.0,1209.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: We didn't know about a lot about the history of European oil painting history, not that much really limited information. And the major part, they're being replaced of, I mean by the Russian stuff. So basically they're drawings, the painting style of oil painting for the Chinese academies, they are prefer the Russian style, not the traditional like the French Academy of Art. That way they prefer the Moscow style. So that's the missing puzzle actually for the mundane students. Even you studied art in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1209.0,1263.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Also it's not an easy accessibility for students to get really see the original painting in China because it's hard to get import from European already established oil paintings like rubs or DaVinci Van Gogh. There's not so much painting that you can see in person in China back in two that days. And for animations, Japanese animations. And also in this new kind of art forms, it's really more easier to get accessible for the students. So that's why I should mention more on Japanese animations than and the European oil paintings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1263.0,1316.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Right. And what about Chinese art? How Chinese was that presented in academia then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1316.0,1323.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well, that's the interesting question again, because the modern day China, there is a political things, right? We, I mean personally I think we experienced or some people can see and say they suffered from the cultural revolution started by Mao President Mao and before that and after that the art reals changed 180 degrees actually. So before that there exists the traditional Chinese art, but after that nothing left. That's what I got in my academy education there. So for the Chinese art, we only know the man students. You only know, oh there is calligraphy and there is some famous guy called, but that's all. And for the real, I mean high rank Chinese paintings like in history, they're paint on silk and those kind of things are already gathered in Beijing. So that means it's kind of dictation because you can only find that high rank paintings in the forbidden Palace or the Beijing's major museum and it's hard to see here in there in person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1323.0,1421.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in my hometown it's far away from Beijing. My hometown is near Shanghai, so it's southeast China, but Beijing is quite north right? Such long distance, I have no idea to get access to that. And also because of the cultural revolution things for traditional Chinese art only left in my hometown Ro is the calligraphy and the full calligraphy is really hard to appreciate at the first glance, actually for myself personally. And also they have some leftover Chinese painting like the ink painting, but it is reformed already in chain dynasty. So the really high rank ones, they're even further before that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1421.0,1482.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: And that kind of thing I just mentioned they're in Beijing, I can see it in person normally. So for myself I think, oh probably Chinese stuff is just soso. So not really good because at that time I didn't have a really high quality experience of that. So the major absorptions on art or aesthetic things probably is from Japan admissions. But the good thing I after that, probably even still now, I think actually that's a good thing because Japanese, they do a really good restorations, Chinese art also for their kind of their ra in animation, they mentioned their histories, but somehow their history figures they are heritage from Chinese history, some of that because back into maybe 300 years before and before then Japan is absorbing a lot of Chinese culture. They have their own revolution during the 18th and 19th century and then they're westernized, but still there are some cultural res there in their culture genes I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1482.0,1571.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So that's literally what I saw, oh probably I can use that way to see what kind of Chinese art used to be the real high rank good Chinese art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1571.0,1586.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You were exploring. You mentioned in the beginning of the interview that through language there are other ways that you can access other artistic cultures like Italy, and the Renaissance masters. So, in China at the time that you were taking your classes, when you were training as an sculptor, was there any exposure of renaissance art?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1586.0,1613.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Definitely, definitely it was and what the other guy's called","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1613.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Raphael?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1619.0,1622.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Raphael, that's the painter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1622.0,1625.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: There were others. Well I just forgot the names. That's okay. It's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1625.0,1642.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, Spanish guy also has a after Renaissance, Baroque, I forgot the others. Well probably we can catch up that later. Yes. I just forgot that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1642.0,1659.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That's all right, I mean mainly what you did have.  What I find interesting is that of that you had some exposure on that, but not so much in Chinese ancient art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1659.0,1671.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well, Chinese Asian art, well I would say in my third year in that academy we get a suburb, not suburb actually it's countryside visiting to the mountains, Chinese mountains. And what you'll see there, they are Buddhism sculpture a lot and they are the authentic stuffs from maybe town dynasty. So that means a thousand years before","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1671.0,1711.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Also","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1711.0,1712.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: In hometown actually they have a lane temple and beside there is back mountain. They also have a lot of the kind of sculptures on the mountain. So you'll see that they are the stone caves, actually they are just sculpted the Buddhism images right on the mountain. So that kind of things can be part of the tradition. But unfortunately I would say, because my basic, I mean the fundamental knowledge on sculpture, what I learned in the academy, it's westernized even though it's like Russian stuff but still westernized. So what that means, the urge us to learn a lot about anatomy, human anatomy and then you should see what this muscle located and what that bone, how long this bone should be and how the skull skull, I mean human being's skull should be like oval like or something different. I mean there is a unique shape you have to remember in your memory and your practice like sculpting use clay from the real life model, but based on that kind of system, not from the Chinese system, the Buddhism sculpture. Because if I still in the days, if I still used the anatomy view to seeing that kind of Buddhism sculptures, I would say, oh that's wrong on this leg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1712.0,1820.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Those are more idealized forms","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1820.0,1822.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Based on they have their own aesthetics,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1822.0,1826.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Their own aesthetic. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1826.0,1828.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Also I would say they're symbolism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1828.0,1831.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Not like the tradition you can back in the days from the Asian Greek,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1831.0,1838.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Right? Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1838.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Not that kind of idealism of the body. It's something different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1840.0,1845.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Something different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1845.0,1845.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yes. Also, I remember they were called that kind of Buddhism sculpture. They will say they're not three dimensional; they're 2.5 dimensional because they are derived from paintings first. So painting is two-dimensional thing, and they are mapping the painting into a three-dimensional object on the mountain. And then you dig inside, but you can never see the back of that Buddhist statue. That's the 2.5 thing. So then they will say, I mean the professors, some of them they'll say, oh, Chinese sculptures, I mean in traditional they are derived from painting or somehow on the calligraphy and the lines. So they're not like you'll think there is a three-dimensional object like the Asian Greeks you did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1845.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Was ontologically different than western art and western art. The point of reference was Russia. Yeah, the USSR, not Russia but the USSR.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1906.0,1919.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: But the USSR is actually those painters or the sculptures, and they used to study from Rome or French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1919.0,1926.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: The French, absolutely. So, it is a western tradition by the way of the USSR. Yes. Digested by them and presented to you. So, when you came to the United States, you started to be interested in contemporary art. So tell us about that, how you got exposed to American art?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1926.0,1949.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Shock? Actually, so at the first glance, because only the big names of the Canadian artist like Jeff Koons and the others actually they are get their fame in New York, but their background are not Americans actually. So I got that info during my academic days, in my academic years","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1949.0,1983.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: In China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1983.0,1983.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1983.0,1984.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1984.0,1984.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: In China. And it's also through a famous social media called WeChat there because they have the official site to spread out all this info because at those days the Chinese economies they really good. So that means that kind of branding is political, I mean capitalism things they want some rich guys to buy those artists stuff. So that's why also I think after 2008, so after the Beijing Olympic game, really a lot of galleries, the western galleries will establish their branch in China to selling those kind of artists things to Chinese people. And that's part of the reason I got involved with that kind of information and think, oh those guys are, they're alive and they already get thing. So probably if I went through America I can go my thing like them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=1984.0,2057.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: I think you could. I think you could. I mean well","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2057.0,2060.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: There still be some chance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2060.0,2062.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: There is a chance is I a lot of things about mean this is about you, but with galleries they are creating taste because a lot of artists are not represented in the galleries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2062.0,2075.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So like myself, I didn't get represented by a gallery actually, but that's commercial things actually. So when I really get enrolled in Pratt Institute I thought, oh actually what they're teaching us was academic stuff. So critical thinking of art and lots of contemporary critiques. They're writing about the contemporary arts. What's the big names of this? Like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2075.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Walter Benjamin Walter, yes. The Arcades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2113.0,2118.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah. So the other thing like Susan Sontag","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2118.0,2124.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2124.0,2125.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2125.0,2128.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Were you expecting that? sorry to interrupt you. Were you expecting that or what kind of training were you expecting from the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2128.0,2136.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: United States? Those things caught me off guard actually. Okay. I didn't think, oh I should know this kind of stuff because I think oh probably, they will teach me how to be a successful or professional artist to live as a professional career in here and build up your fame and you can sell your artworks immediately. But somehow in pre institute they just told you you should learn how to critique and how to review your own careers and think deeper to create more authentic art, not capitalized art. So that's for me. Well good. So I just keep studying and during that days actually I hit the pandemic. So at that end I think oh probably I couldn't meet my professor and classmates in person in the school or in our studios. So I co-founded a online webinar actually to discuss how these things would happen in the art real and probably in the us also the Chinese artists who's already being a lot of a long time here in the US before the pandemic, how they survived and during the pandemic, what their plan and also for after the pandemic, what their goals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2136.0,2244.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's really interesting. And one of the artists I should mention is Sophie Kahn and she was a Australian artist and then she moved to New York and then studied her career as a sculptor. So majorly her stuff is 3D scanning and then turning it to be a shattered human body. And for me it's kind of interesting because it's new technology and before that I only know how to make sculptures is clay, nothing about a 3D modeling. So also I invited her to join that conversation for the webinars and after that when I graduated I luckily and to be her assistant for a while. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2244.0,2311.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Is she based in Pratt? Is she a professor at Pratt or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2311.0,2314.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: She used to be a lecturer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2314.0,2316.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: A lecturer Pratt. Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2316.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: But right now, well last time I have the email with her is that she wants to pursue a degree in Columbia University. Oh, okay. Well still a living artist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2318.0,2332.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, a living artist. Yes. So what is authentic for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2332.0,2336.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Authentic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2336.0,2337.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What is authentic if you were to, what is the meaning of authentic for you? Since you've been an artist in China and you were presented, what is the authentic thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2337.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well authentic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2348.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So is it there such a thing as authentic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2348.0,2352.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well for me a simple word related to authentic is self-confidence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2352.0,2359.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2359.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Alright. But still I'm still thinking about that terminology authentic because when I mentioned authentic art, that means there are many art forms they already established or part of being the rest, or they used to pop up in history in China or also in America. Especially in China actually I would say because we have so long history, at least you agree with 2000 years history compared with America","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2360.0,2408.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: 10,000 years at least with agriculture and all of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2408.0,2411.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: That. Yes. So I would say that's really a lot of art forms but they're lost or maybe and what that authentic means, it's like an artist. If you do think you can create stuff really genuine and it's new, those art pieces can be distinguished from your contemporaries or the generations before you. That's artwork. I think I should appreciate it. So in some point I think in Chinese history some of the artists, even though they are not called themselves artists because maybe they are some scholars or maybe they are some officers or maybe they are emperors, they have that kind of resource and they will use the art form as a language to express their feelings or their thought. So I would really want that kind of things. Yeah, okay. So that's what I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2411.0,2487.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That's very insightful and something that I am profoundly impressed is how you articulate that in English. So how has it been for you living in this country using English and trying to come to terms with those new ideas that you were exposed to in school? Not only in school but things that you have seen in the art world here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2487.0,2510.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So you mean things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2510.0,2513.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2513.0,2513.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: The greatest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2513.0,2513.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Thing in general, I mean with English. With English, how you deal with that. Are there things that are in Chinese that you would express in Chinese in ways that are different than obvious? A different language?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2513.0,2524.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Of course, of course there is also one questioning stuff like in Chinese language we call that T. So briefly we can translate that into breath, take a breath that kind of breath. This thing in traditional Chinese art history, they mentioned that a lot because they will say, oh did your artwork or majorly in the ink paintings, did that painting express your Q? So that kind of mystical things for me still, I don't know what that really means. Maybe it's that breath or the cheek means you can see that lively or maybe the gap your a deep impression or you are touched by that artwork or you will think, oh that's really a person's soul inside that artwork. But it's hard to translate fully the meaning or find a right word to translate that in Western. I mean probably in English you will say in history as a far as I know, nobody think on that sheet or the brass really matters for create artwork based on my education art critics or art history historians, they'll also say you should capture that image of a human being or something. So the Asian Greeks did, even though they make idealistic God-like human shapes, but still they're based on anatomy and science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2524.0,2656.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So they want to represent the precision of the object word. So word, the things outside your body, not your mind. I mean maybe it's related to your mind, but definitely you should depicting something outside and if you can make it really vivid or lively, so that means, oh probably you are a master master story. So that's the one thing. Also a good example like Michelangelo in the Renaissance time, I do visit the chapel. I think it's in Florence, right? He did the tomb the days and night. I think there's four figures for the Medici family. That's fascinating for me because for the really iconic the family member in medic cheese and they are give the commission to Michelangelo did, right? So the Juliano Medici, I think that for me I think oh it's cannot compare with day and night and that group sculptures made by Michelangelo because they are depicting too much on the declarations on their home, the costumes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2656.0,2762.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even though that things maybe in that days they are showing their identity and how luxury life or how important those guys are, they're honorable man. But Michelangelo did the day and nights I think probably it's the day there is an old guy reclining on the maybe a slop or something there is diagonal that face he didn't depict really in details. So it's like a lab that in sketch really rapidly. But that things for the Chinese people. If we will talk about breast or the qi, you can see that through that sketchy face. I dunno why, but yeah there is something. So that means Michelangelo as a really great master, he do practice his art far beyond the depicting a precisely accurate object and stuff, but connecting his mind or his thought to projecting that onto a artwork he made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2762.0,2845.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's why he's great. I dunno. But still he has a good connection. And after that, when I studied in Pratt we have the free tickets allowance to get in and the Met, right? Also the MoMA and the different museums actually in Manhattan what I experienced that there's a huge gap from the traditional art and the contemporary art, at least in New York. So what I thought is for the contemporary art, I dunno what they're doing at all because they are paying no attention on techniques at all. Well even though there are some of them like Afro-Americans, artists, they do pay some attention on that. But for the white guys, I dunno why, probably because they have their agreements on the modernization of art. So after the revolution from Picasso, so like cubism and after Duchamp, maybe they get rid of that and they pay more attention on philosophy. Like Joseph Costus, he's a sculptor of what I know here and I think, oh that guy is interesting. But still for my practice as an artist, I think that guy I couldn't really follow up because he is purely based on a philosophical thinking and doing nothing, basically nothing on sculpting at all. That's my the stand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=2845.0,2960.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's kind of the cultural shock for me because when in China I was think, oh probably still some artworks should be presented in museums. And here people, especially the living artists or emerging artists, they hard to get their chance to present their works in a gallery or a museum. 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How do you see your art here in America in the context of English speaking people, people who haven't had your experience as an art student, as an artist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3005.0,3020.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: In China? Well, when I present my sculpture, at least in my school days at Pratt, I would say even my professor, they only 50% understand that. So what does that mean? So for example, for my thesis work, I made my own self a self-portrait. But in sculpture form I used the iron sheet to make that. So basically you can see it as a transparent thing only left the surface of it. So that's not like a traditional marbles or clay or other wood covering? No, not at all. Because at that time I'm thinking a really Chinese stuff like sakata SDA molding. So it's like when a SDA climbing up to a tree bank tree bark actually, and that little insect would get rid of the shell and fly on top of the trees and they left that kind of shell of the sky, that shell, that makes me thinking, oh it's pretty traditional Chinese thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3020.0,3113.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is a metaphor really in Chinese so that if you get rid of the shell, you tend to be a saint like guy but not the sink in the Christian technology it's like you can escape from the mountain life. And because still I create that sculpture during the pandemic, I'm thinking that kind of thing because myself, my body was trapped in my really small apartment and where can I go? So probably the only thing I can go is through making my sculpture to get elevating to somewhere else. So quite like that the skata get the molding and get rid of the shell. But you can only see through, I mean see through the shell, it's left there but not the soul or the real essence exists in there. So that's my intention. But my professors, he will he give me comment on that? He would say it's quite like an anecdote for yourself because is that a right word?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3113.0,3208.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Anecdote? Anecdote, yes. Some story about something that happened to you that it's curious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3208.0,3215.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Not that one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3215.0,3218.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: A metaphor,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3218.0,3218.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: It's a medicine, sorry, it's a medicine probably it's a different word,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3218.0,3222.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: A metaphor, maybe something that happened that compares to your life, but it's not exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3222.0,3226.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Not that one. Probably I used the wrong word anyway. So he will say, see my sculpture in that form, he'll say, oh, when you are doing that sculpture, you are healing yourself. So it's like you are making medicine,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3226.0,3245.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Medicine","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3245.0,3245.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: A drug for yourself. So like a pale,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3245.0,3248.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It's a healing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3248.0,3249.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3249.0,3250.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Healing. It's a healing mechanism for yourself. Okay, healing. It's therapeutic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3250.0,3254.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: And also maybe psychological,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3254.0,3256.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3256.0,3257.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Of course. But that's rooted in western tradition. So that's why I think, oh, there is a gap there. I couldn't really explain that emotional reliance on what I mentioned, the sky, get rid of the shell. But my professor can get the similar comment on, I'll probably just elevated, but you get relieved. But through the psychological way, psychological perspective probably","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3257.0,3295.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the para thing, probably 50%. So if I can agree with him, it's like, oh, I do get rid of that stuff. So it's like I'm relieved, but how and what's the method? I got relieved. It's not making a pill for myself. It's like I'm thinking or mimicking on that. That's the part my professor can understand. So it is hard to explain, but metaphor, that's a good word. I used a lot during my college because I think, oh it's interesting if because it's kind of language stuff, even no matter is Chinese or English, we both use a lot of metaphors because some somehow we found use the mundane language hard to explain something in details. So we have to use metaphors to compare comparation or the mimicking of something else to say, oh, that's the essence of that what I'm meaning. And I think it's really useful method, it's a useful tool. But nowadays I find probably I should take care of it because if I use that a lot. So it's quite like, well there is a note I took already. 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Flower in English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3412.0,3415.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3415.0,3416.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And the narcissist nurses","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3416.0,3417.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Narcissist that one, nurses","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3417.0,3419.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: The narcissist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3419.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So for example, narcissist, that's rooted in the Asian Greek mythology, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3420.0,3427.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3427.0,3427.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah. But if you say the same kind of plant in China, we don't think the narcissist in that way because we celebrate that during the Chinese New Year's, at least in my hometown, we think, oh, it's like a loot. It's grew up from a root. But then it's like when it's welcoming the spring it's spread out, sprawl out and you can see the lovely little flowers on top. And because they are really straight up. And also, the other difference is we incubate it in water,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3427.0,3471.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3471.0,3472.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Like in the van worth park. We can see that in the land, in the ground","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3472.0,3476.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Totally different. So if I use a metaphor to say narcissist in English or I use the Chinese word, that's totally different meanings for others. Also, if I want to say in English to have the conversation with my friends, maybe they're Americans, I have to use the word called the narcissist. And when I mentioned narcissist, they would immediately say, oh, I mentioned that way, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3476.0,3512.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What would come to mind is that story of mythology about narcissists being very vain. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3512.0,3519.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: I have to use a lot of time to explain, oh why in my background in Chinese culture the narcissists is not that meaning, but people still, they have default set up in their memory like oh narcissist it means that. So that's the hard part for, I mean that's what I find difficulty to get communications in English to explain my thoughts somehow or my sculptures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3519.0,3554.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Absolutely, yes. So this is a personal question. Would you go back to China? Would you move back to China or not? Or you thinking of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3554.0,3566.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: I'm still thinking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3566.0,3567.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You're still thinking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3567.0,3568.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Because in China still the political thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3568.0,3571.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3571.0,3572.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: I do feel some pressure from the government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3572.0,3576.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You feel pressure","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3576.0,3578.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Not like that personal thing. They are forced me to be a refugee, not like that. It's like the academic things. Because as I mentioned, if I go back to China, if I want to pursue a PhD degree there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3578.0,3597.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: As","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3597.0,3597.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: A art, maybe some philosophy, interdisciplinary department through art and philosophy, I have to deal with some taboo because of the revolution, cultural revolution,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3597.0,3620.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Something","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3620.0,3621.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: You cannot really speak out through your works even is published paper or your artworks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3621.0,3632.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3632.0,3633.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: It's like even though I can present the same sculpture here and also in China, probably in the museum in different locations, I should use different descriptions because they will ban you in some way or they will not ban you. But you have to alternate your descriptions on that. If you alternate that, it's kind of misleading, right? And I won't say the authentic word by myself. So how I see that in this way, but somehow in China, in the academic realm probably it's not that opportunity for me to do these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3633.0,3679.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So do you feel that going back to China, whether permanently or not, there are some things that you cannot explain your Chinese colleagues the same way that you struggle","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3679.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Explaining","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3690.0,3691.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Those metaphors to your American colleagues because you have the Chinese ontology and then now you have brought some of English and some of the way of thinking of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3691.0,3700.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Maybe not only English, it's more like modern than the agreements. I would say. So for example, that's one classmate in my ESL class, she was Chinese, but typically her age is older than me. What I find that she will totally agree with the dictatorship of Chinese government because she think that's the parent like stuff because the government have only one state there. So the culture should be one and anything should be one and follow up the government. And there should be good because in her view it's like they are show you good way to be moral or something. 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So that's why I think also she didn't receive any education outside the ESL library program. So that's why she was saying, oh that's totally fine because we are Chinese people. But if I go back to argue with her, I will say no, probably you are only modernly Chinese people, but somehow you lost the part of the traditional Chinese people, especially their Confucianism or their scholars thought because because of huge history, there are a lot of thoughts in Chinese history actually will agree with democracy, I think yes. But here you can say, oh, if I go back to China and people say, oh, you have your studies in the us so that's why you are influenced by the westernized thought ideologies like other democracy, also the human rights things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3777.0,3843.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: But those who existed in Chinese history at some point in different circumstances, yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3843.0,3850.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Absolutely they vanished,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3850.0,3850.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: But they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3850.0,3851.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Vanished. Vanished somehow. So that's one thing. So if I go back to China, I should face, I have to face the thousand or millions of people like my classmates in that kind of view. It's hard for me to explain to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3851.0,3872.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: And also it's really interesting, she is Shanghai, so why Shanghai went to here didn't pursue her. I mean academic career or something else or the jobs. Why? Because of the pandemic. One reason is Shanghai suffered the lockdown for the whole year. I think there and probably those Shanghai needs, even though they're mining life, they're already absorbed or soaked in the modernized capitalism or freedom kind of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3872.0,3916.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They also suffer and they will feel all the pressure from the government. So that's why they flee out. But somehow when she got here, they were still thinking, oh, I'm not Chinese, so that's my identity. So I should show my Chinese identity. Like, oh, I agree with the government, anything. So for me it's also interesting thing because when you behave like a mundane people, you know what to do through your body because you feel the pressure or you suffer in the lockdown. So you want to move to something more free and you can do things what you want to do,but somehow in your mind you agree with oh one kind ideology. And if people talking about different things, they'll simply disagree with you. So that's why I'm thinking for myself through learning English, also through learning English, I can get connected with Latins and Italians language, also France, also German languages. Because nowadays English is word spread already. So I would think that for myself is good for me to study more and use this kind of vehicle. So English language for me is like a vehicle to know better of the world also myself. Because for myself, I will think during the comparison from different cultures, I can know better why my old thoughts or my ideology is in that way. Also in the interesting part, when I'm in China as a student, every day in my school, they're talking about Marxist theory, right? Marxism. But I have no interest in read the authentic book written by Marxist, like the capital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=3916.0,4061.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But somehow when I moved here, I start, I mean because I get the training of critical thinking at Pratt. I would think, oh probably I should get no more. Why Mark's saying things in that way? And probably there should be some way I can benefit from. So for myself, because still I think I am a sculptor, not a painter. And for painting and sculpting, I would think the huge difference is sculpture takes more labor things. So the labor things, you have to look at Marxist theory and that's why I think keep going on to study English for myself. It's a really good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4061.0,4119.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You brought some books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4119.0,4120.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4120.0,4121.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Do you want to talk about them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4121.0,4122.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, for sure. So the four books I brought here today, so I will show you Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4122.0,4132.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Photograph them afterwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4132.0,4133.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, maybe you can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4133.0,4135.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4135.0,4136.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So that's the different things. So I will present them chronically for this one, this kind of book, it's SAT dictionary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4136.0,4152.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4152.0,4154.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So you can see the content, it's like English and then they will translate or explain that in Chinese. And the funny part is they will also use these kind of drooling things like the colleague to bring up the student's attention because it's for SAT preparation. So they were saying you are before college or high school students, you should use that. So that's the kind of dictionary I will use. Before I came to America, the seventh thing, and this one, that's the part I got involved in scholarly thinking, scholarly thinking, academic stuff. This author at least I think he's great grade, his name is, he is also a professor at my academy and Chinese Academy of Art. 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That's actually Latin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4239.0,4244.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: That's Latin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4244.0,4244.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That's Latin, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4244.0,4246.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Also, he will cite these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4246.0,4249.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay, so yeah, that's in Latin. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4249.0,4253.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: And also English typically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4253.0,4257.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes. And that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4257.0,4257.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: WY.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4257.0,4259.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And the other thing, Irish poet","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4259.0,4262.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Also here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4262.0,4264.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay, German, that's German basic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4264.0,4267.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So those kind of scholars books makes me thinking, oh this professor, I used to heard one lecture from him. I think it's about if you will study in the realm of art history, because he is an art historian. He will think you'd better not read my books. Instead, you should read the citations in my books. Because those things are more valuable for yourself. That's what I think. And the other thing he mentioned is if you really want to study artist history, don't only look on the Chinese books, you should study English more urge than Chinese because it will brought you something else. So for me, I will say it's more broadly thinking because he absorb that kind of knowledge through English and then lead him to German, Latin and French, anything. So that makes him to be well open-minded. Absolutely. But those kind of the really rare creatures. 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So what that means, actually it's not a dictionary, but like the journal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4350.0,4369.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Acta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4369.0,4369.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah, a\n\nMD","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4369.0,4370.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Journal. It's a journal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4370.0,4371.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah. So this one is in the Lebanese time. So the European philosopher right back in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4371.0,4384.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yeah, the mathematician. Okay, so that is 1005. That's 60 16, 50 16, 85, 60. That's published five. That's the year 60 85. So that's in in Roman numerals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4384.0,4402.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So they are studying, well we can see","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4402.0,4405.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: The That's in Hebrew. 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What I got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4409.0,4411.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Actually, did you handle it? This is a very old book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4411.0,4416.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Well it's old. 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Yeah. So they do, they want to decide the translation, the inscriptions actually fun. So really made me fascinated that I got, because I stayed in the New York City somewhere, so I get the chance to know, oh, there is some books like this exist in history, right? 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But for the Chinese, it's really light.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4662.0,4668.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It's a very thin paper. And the binding is soft. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=4668.0,4675.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So this one is also a dictionary. Yeah. 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Definitely a script has a lot to do with different structures of thinking. And that's actually very, very, very interesting. We can talk about, I mean this is, excuse me, it's fascinating. 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There is no characters like that. 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But I think that's really interesting. If I lost somehow this kind of guy, they give me some map or directions to know which authors or their works are important you should pay attention to. 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So, they do have the paths, right? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5213.0,5215.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: The paths, yeah. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5215.0,5217.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: This kind of books, it's like the arrows of that, but not the Missioning guide map in that way. Not in details, but they're only showing you a direction and you can follow that direction to experience by yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5217.0,5236.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5236.0,5237.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: For example, the bamboo of book in this book, it's never mentioned this annual, what that called again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5237.0,5247.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Rum. So that's a journal for an erudite for a, that is scholastic. That people who knows everything from theology to mathematics","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5247.0,5257.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5257.0,5258.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Languages. Yes. Oh, this is this,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5258.0,5260.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah. Probably if I have time I should learn how to pronounce it. Well definitely this kind of book. I didn't see it directly from here, but somehow because I moved my location","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5260.0,5275.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: To","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5275.0,5275.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: New York City and get some chance to get access to these kind of books and start a new journey for myself. So if I only stay in China, I probably will never have the chance to get access to. Also, this works purely in Chinese, but I never saw them in my hometown before. I don't know why. Probably because of the cultural revolution thing or maybe they are already valuable a lot in my city, so they're kind of locked up in some library I don't access to. So I mean I really enjoying kind of the last thing in the drawings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5275.0,5334.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yours is a remarkable story and this was wonderful to get the chance to speak with you. We can follow up. I know you have a time constraint that is close to 4:00 PM Is there anything you'd like to say to close the interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5334.0,5357.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: The interview? Well probably just that word closing question. What message would you like to share with people from other cultures?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5357.0,5369.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5369.0,5369.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"XX: So I would recommend study broadly and you can know better of yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957#t=5369.0,5379.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163045/file/296957/transcript/86635/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Well, thank you so much. 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