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Hillary’s passion for languages is rooted in international experiences that began early in her life. As a child, she participated in an international summer program in Germany, an experience that sparked her curiosity about the world. Later, she lived and studied in Barcelona, Spain, where learning Spanish as an adult gave her firsthand insight into the challenges and vulnerability of communicating in a second language.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFor Hillary, teaching ESL is about more than language instruction—it is about honoring linguistic diversity and celebrating the courage it takes to live and communicate in another language.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Themes"]},"value":{"en":["Language teaching, adult ESL education, multiculturalism, publishing and media career, volunteering, community engagement, language learning journey (Spanish)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Jersey City Free Public Library"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["oral history","interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["English as a Second Language at the Learning Center: Learning English, Living in English (part of)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Jersey City (N.J.) (spatial)","2025 (temporal)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Jersey City (N.J.)","New Jersey","English language","Language learners"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["TJCMP_01_0009_Doyle (local)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/wav"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eRecording and participant contributions are made available under the \u003ca href=\"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/\"\u003eCreative Commons License CC0: Public Domain Dedication\u003c/a\u003e. This work has been dedicated to the public domain. Users are enabled to distribute, remix, adapt, and build upon the material in any medium or format, with no conditions. The use of a work free of known copyright restrictions may be otherwise regulated or limited. The work or its use may be subject to personal data protection laws, publicity, image, or privacy rights. For questions about permissions on usage of this work, contact the New Jersey Room at \u003ca href=\"mailto:njroom@jcfpl.org\"\u003enjroom@jcfpl.org\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Preferred Citation"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\"Hillary Doyle oral history interview (2025).\" Jersey City Free Public Library. November, 2025. URL.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["New Jersey Room, Jersey City Free Public Library"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eHillary Doyle believes that learning a language takes courage. In this interview, she shares how her own experiences learning Spanish and living abroad shaped her approach to teaching English at JCFPL\u0026rsquo;s Learning Center in Jersey City, New Jersey. Hillary\u0026rsquo;s passion for languages is rooted in international experiences that began early in her life. As a child, she participated in an international summer program in Germany, an experience that sparked her curiosity about the world. Later, she lived and studied in Barcelona, Spain, where learning Spanish as an adult gave her firsthand insight into the challenges and vulnerability of communicating in a second language.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFor Hillary, teaching ESL is about more than language instruction\u0026mdash;it is about honoring linguistic diversity and celebrating the courage it takes to live and communicate in another language.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eRecording and participant contributions are made available under the \u003ca href=\"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eCreative Commons License CC0: Public Domain Dedication\u003c/a\u003e. This work has been dedicated to the public domain. Users are enabled to distribute, remix, adapt, and build upon the material in any medium or format, with no conditions. The use of a work free of known copyright restrictions may be otherwise regulated or limited. The work or its use may be subject to personal data protection laws, publicity, image, or privacy rights. For questions about permissions on usage of this work, contact the New Jersey Room at \u003ca href=\"mailto:njroom@jcfpl.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003enjroom@jcfpl.org\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Jersey City Free Public Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Jersey City Free Public Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/715/original/cropped-JCFPL-Logo-Navy_transparent-1.png?1752521730","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/296/965/small/TJCMP-01_0009_P01.JPG?1762408917","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - TJCMP-01_0009_R02.mp3"]},"duration":2943.72,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/296/965/small/TJCMP-01_0009_P01.JPG?1762408917","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-jclibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/296/965/original/TJCMP-01_0009_R02.mp3?1762405084","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2943.72,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=0.0,0.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Let's make sure that we are okay, so now this is recording. Okay. This is the Jersey City Memory Project. Miriam Dominguez interviewing Hillary Doyle. Today is April 12th, 2025. Good afternoon, Hillary, please introduce yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=0.0,17.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Hi, I'm Hillary Doyle. I am a teacher with the ESL program at the Jersey City Library Learning Center, and I'm excited to talk with you, Miriam, about the journey that I've been on to get to teaching English and how that's been going so far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=17.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Alright, well, Hillary, how long have you been living in Jersey City? What's your life history here in this town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=36.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Sure. So I've been living in Jersey City for about two and a half years. I moved here for a job at the end of 2022, so I've been settling in for a while, just getting to know people, but it's been a really great community to be a part of, and especially getting involved with the library has helped me connect with my neighbors and it's a great place to live. Before Jersey City, I was recently, I'm from Ohio originally, so I was staying with family there for a little bit. Prior to that I was getting my master's degree in Barcelona, Spain. And I also lived in New York City for six years, which I think a lot of people in Jersey City have that experience of living in New York for a little bit and then coming over to Jersey City to relax a little bit maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=45.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you have been living here since 2022. For how long have you been a tutor for the learning center?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=93.0,102.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Just a few months, actually. A few months. Okay. I started in February. This is my first class teaching with the library. Before that, I had done some volunteer programs on and off. I taught at a Latino community center in Cincinnati where I used to live. And I also did a couple sessions with another organization here in Jersey City that welcomes refugees and sets them up with English and tutoring similar to the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=102.0,131.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So here in New Jersey you have another job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=131.0,135.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=135.0,136.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You have a career do so can you tell me about your career, what you're doing now, in addition to being a teacher at the Learning center?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=136.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yes. So I studied English and Linguistics as my undergrad and my initial goal with that was always to work in book publishing. So that's where most of my career has been. I started out at a book publisher called Scholastic, based in New York City that does children's books. I worked for them for about six years doing international translation licensing. So that is working with the books that they publish and then finding partner publishers in other countries that will manage the translation and publication of those books in as many other languages as possible. So I did that for a long time and then I went to business school and following business school, I've been back here in New Jersey working at Audible, which is an audiobook producer and distributor. So I'm mostly working for them on content acquisition and getting books turned from print books into audio books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=144.0,202.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So your work is on language, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=202.0,205.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Exactly, yes. Yeah, that's kind been the common thread throughout everything I've done. I love to read and to help other people read and talk and consume content and create content is something that's really important to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=205.0,218.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you have volunteered in different organizations with, you have international experience, you have live abroad. You are originally from Ohio, which where? Cincinnati,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=218.0,231.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Cincinnati, Ohio's, where I grew up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=231.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Okay. So could you please, just so we can take some threat on your education and your life history. So you grew up in Ohio and where did you do your undergrad and how your interest in language in publishing how these all are?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=232.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yes. Yeah, so it's funny because growing up in Ohio there's not a lot of opportunities to travel internationally. I mean some people do, but it is not the same as New York City for example, or even here in Jersey City where there's this huge diversity. Ohio is not quite like that, but when I was 11 years old, I had the opportunity to travel to an international summer program. It's a nonprofit called Children's International Summer Village. It was founded by a child psychologist after World War ii, and her goal was that she felt that if children had multicultural friendships that that would be a way to prevent future war. She felt like that was the missing piece, that if children had cross-cultural understanding and knew the value of the things that make us different and the things that make us the same, but that could kind of help create a more peaceful, more peaceful world. And because she was a psychologist, she felt that 11-year-old kids were the perfect age to give that kind of experience, that they would be able to, they know a little bit about the world, but not too much that they have biases","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=251.0,324.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Or misconceptions about other cultures. So I went to one of those programs when I was 11. I spent four weeks in Germany. It was my first time out of the country. It was my first time being away from my parents for so long, and I was there with kids from 12 other countries all around the world. And we just played games and got to know each other and I learned a lot about other cultures and it really opened my eyes to what a big world there was outside of the community where I was raised. And so I think I kind of credit that experience with really kind of opening my eyes to the whole world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=324.0,361.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, that's so wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=361.0,363.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: And so I'd always been kind of interested in working in a multicultural international environment. That's always been something that I place a high value on. So yeah, as I said, I grew up in Ohio. I did my undergrad at Ohio State, and then I moved to New York City right after I graduated to start working in publishing. And honestly just by luck, I kind of landed in a job there that was an international facing job. I was working with publishers from all around the world, licensing content to them. And I realized that because I'd had some experience as a kid with working with people from other cultures, it did help me to be a little more open-minded and to be a little more cooperative and kind of understanding, recognizing the different ways we might work and kind of how to just roll with that and find our common ground and work together for our common goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=363.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: And I really found that I was good at that kind of work and I really liked working with people from all around the world. And I found that really interesting. So then when I decided I wanted to do my master's degree, I knew that I wanted to do it abroad and do it in an international context. And so that led me to a program in Spain. I did my MBA at ESA business school in Barcelona, which is a super international cohort. My class was 350 students from 70 countries or something like that. We were people from all over the world. So it was a really valuable part of my education to continue learning what it really is like to be part of a multicultural team. And yeah, that's always been my goal since I started working was to always try to have the most international multicultural working environment that I can. I just find that really dynamic and interesting and it makes it so you're always learning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=420.0,481.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: How long were you in the program in Spain? In Barcelona?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=481.0,483.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: It was a two year program and I stayed a little after that. I would've liked to have continued living in Spain if I could have found a job. So I stayed there for a little bit after my program. So I was there almost three years total.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=483.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You had international experience early on in life, suppose most people at age 11. So going back to that, so these are international children villages? Yes. So you were living with children from other countries in Germany?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=497.0,513.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yes. So we were in Germany, but there was only four kids from Germany there. So each country only had four kids representing their country. So I think we had, so USA Germany, who else was there? Netherlands, Japan. India,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=513.0,530.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I'm sure I'm going to forget Portugal. Great Britain, a lot of, I can't remember which other countries were there. It was like 12 different countries. Kids are from all over. So you really, but you're approaching it from kids. So sometimes you talk about serious things, sometimes you talk about not so serious things, but what were you doing there? So what kinds of activities? Mostly playing games. It is kind of about just playing with each other. And we did do some activities that were designed to be a little more educational. There's a really impactful activity we did, which I actually, I don't think the organization does this activity anymore, but I found it very impactful. And it was an activity where we had a poster board representing each country at the camp and we had to go around and either draw or write the stereotypes that we thought about that country on everybody else's poster board. And then afterwards we went and looked at the one for our own,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=530.0,588.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, very frank,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=588.0,589.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: For our own country and kind of said, oh, this is what the perception of our country is. And in the different ways that people saw there was a mix of positive and negative I think for most of those countries. And it was a really eyeopening thing to experience. I think especially growing up, I think the uss more so than other countries does have this tendency for people that grow up here and maybe don't leave here. You kind of get a little bit, I don't know, closed off about it and you sort of think that the American way is the only way to live, and this was a very eyeopening thing for me to realize, oh, not everybody wants exactly this or there's pros and cons to it. And just really understanding how we're perceived at that age was really eyeopening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=589.0,634.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And then you went to a very big university, Ohio State. So was that experience in conscious to living in Cincinnati also different? Did you get to meet people from other countries or from other parts of the United States?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=634.0,650.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: A little bit. Not a ton. I mean, Ohio State's a big public university. It's one of the biggest in the country. I think when I was there, there was maybe 50,000 students there. And it's a lot of students from Ohio, obviously since it's the public university there, it's a great way to get a good education with in-state tuition for people that are local to that area. So that's mostly who I met. But we did have, there was international students there. Not a huge presence, but a little bit. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=650.0,680.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: That's like a little town, a university too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=680.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yeah, it's almost like its own little city with its own. Own,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=683.0,687.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes. And then norms, you moved to Spain, to Barcelona,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=687.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: New York next, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=691.0,692.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Then Spain, New York next, then New York. So what are the contrasts of your life in New York and your life in Ohio? Yeah, in general. What were the things that struck you as different? Yeah, there's a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=692.0,705.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Of lot of differences there. I mean definitely New York's a lot more diverse than Ohio just in terms of the number of different cultures that you see here. People speaking different languages, that's something in Ohio, there's maybe some Spanish, but that's maybe it in terms of foreign languages you might encounter. Whereas here in New York or in Jersey City, you hear people speaking all sorts of languages just on the street and the shops. There's also I think some cultural differences from the East coast and the Midwest. The stereotype is that the Midwest is very, I don't know, friendly and maybe overly polite a little bit. I dunno if that's how you'd describe it. Then I think people on the East coast are a little more direct. They have a point to get across and they're not afraid to kind of say what they think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=705.0,754.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: And so I notice it a lot where sometimes if you ask someone how they're doing, someone on the East Coast is more likely to, if they're having a bad day, to tell you they're having a bad day, which I was really surprised by that when I moved here. I was like, oh, why are you telling me all these sad things about your day? I don't know you very well. Whereas have you asked? Yeah, I guess so. Whereas in Ohio I was used to the more common thing is just you always say, how are you? Oh, I'm doing good. No matter what. Even unless it's, if it's someone very, well, maybe that's a different story, but if you're talking about a stranger or a loose acquaintance, you don't tell them if you're having a bad day. That's just kind of not done. And so I was a little surprised by just how people here were more forthright and direct. That was something I had to get used to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=754.0,799.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And you were here for six","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=799.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Years? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=801.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Six years. And at that time you were working for Scholastics in publishing? In publishing, and then you went to Spain and Barcelona. That's a beautiful city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=801.0,814.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I love Barcelona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=814.0,815.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So how was your day to day life? I mean, you went to an international school, were the classes taught in English, but we know in Barcelona people speaks catalog. Then in Spanish they can. 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So the majority of the coursework is in English, but they do offer a bilingual English Spanish degree so that in your second year you can take electives in Spanish. And then they also offer Spanish lessons, basically, specifically business Spanish lessons for the students in our program. So I knew that I wanted to pursue that path of spending as much time learning Spanish as I could while I was there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=833.0,892.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: So right after I moved to Barcelona, I did a two week Spanish intensive, and then I also continued to study Spanish throughout my time there. So I did manage to get the bilingual diploma, but I never got to take any of the electives in Spanish, which I wish I had had a little more time to do that. But I did learn a ton. I was really shocked at how much Spanish I could learn in just two years by being there. It really makes a huge difference, even though I was a little bit part because I was in an international program, I was in a little bit more of an expat community in the sense that everybody spoke English, but there was a lot of students in my program from Spanish speaking countries, so a lot of students from Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Spain, Peru, Ecuador, wherever. 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And so I think it was interesting for me, I remember asking somebody who lived there, I was like, should I try to learn Catalan? And they said, if you're a foreigner, it's okay that you can just do Spanish. They're like, that goes a long way. People will really respect the effort of you learning Spanish if you're a foreigner who doesn't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=949.0,1009.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: But she said, if you're somebody from here, from another part of Spain, you better learn Catalan that they kind of hold it to a different standard. But I think just there's only so much, it takes a long time to learn a language and it sort of felt like Spanish was the one that was going to be a little more useful for the future, being that it's spoken in so many countries and has a lot more applications than Kalan, which is a really interesting language actually, but is only spoken in a pretty small part of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1009.0,1039.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Right. Yeah. So then after that you came here to Jersey City, white Jersey City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1039.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: It was essentially for work. I knew I wanted to come back in publishing in media. And then I got this job with Audible that is headquartered in Newark, New Jersey. And because I'd previously lived in Brooklyn, I wasn't sure where to live, but I did a little research and Jersey City felt like a nice fit for me and that it's kind of close to the city, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1046.0,1068.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1068.0,1068.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Quite","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1068.0,1069.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Close to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1069.0,1069.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Newark, close to Newark, close to the city, but not quite in the madness of the city, but still easy to get to and easy to get to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1069.0,1075.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Newark. That's something interesting because many people are moving from the five boroughs of New York City. So I don't know where you lived in Brooklyn before and now here in Jersey City. What are some of the contrasts that you have observed in your years here? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1075.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Definitely. The biggest contrast I would say is there's just such a strong sense of community here in Jersey City that I never felt anywhere that I lived in the city. I lived on the Upper East side of Manhattan for a few years, and then I lived in South Brooklyn for three years and change. And I just found that people are always kind of coming and going, people are moving in, people are moving out of New York City. There's just a lot of travelers. People move here temporarily and then they go somewhere else. It was, I never really felt able to really feel rooted in a community when I was living there, but I felt that almost right away when I moved to Jersey City, I felt like I was part of a community. There's a lot of local events going on. I joined a community choir that does the standards and show tunes and things like that, and it's just open to anybody in the community. There's always things on events on social media like meetups and game nights and speed dating nights and photography walks. You can find all this stuff on social media here in Jersey City. And there's just always, people are just kind of open to getting to know their neighbors in a way that I didn't notice in New York so much. So I really kind of value that more kind of rooted community feel here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1093.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And you volunteer for, you have volunteered and you volunteered for a number of organizations bit. Can you tell me a little bit about that? Because it sounds that you mentioned you volunteered for a refugee organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1174.0,1187.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I did a few times, yeah. I kind of tried different organizations to see what was a fit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1187.0,1191.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: The children villages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1191.0,1194.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yeah, I always think, I've always thought it was important to volunteer and try to give back where you can. I grew up going to Catholic school and that was always very ingrained in our education was that you should always be trying to give back and to help others and pay your gifts forward. I don't really, I'm currently not religious anymore, but I do still value that. And I think it's important to use your gifts to help others. There's a class I took in college once where we've read a book by Marian Wright Edelman, and I think her kind of famous quote is, it's a longer quote, but the part I always remember is community service is the rent you pay for living. That's just something that if you have gifts that you should try to give them back and help your community. And so that's something that I find really important and really rewarding, and I, especially doing volunteering with international programs or things that have to do with language. So I think those are things that I enjoy talking and discussing, and if I can use those in a way that helps other people all the better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1194.0,1264.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So that brings us to the library. How did you find out about the program and how has been your experience in your first year as an instructor For ESL?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1264.0,1278.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yes. Yeah, so I got involved with the library. So I am currently doing my teacher training with a program at the new school. That's the certificate in teaching English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1278.0,1287.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I think I mentioned before I studied English and language, but I don't have any formal teacher training. So the previous times that I had tried to volunteer in teaching English, I found it really interesting, but I felt that I didn't have the training or the official knowledge that I wanted to actually be an effective teacher. I sort of felt like I was just telling them, okay, this is what I, sorry, this is what I know as a native speaker, but I actually have a hard time explaining what's the actual grammar rule or what's the proper pedagogical way to explain some of these concepts. And so I always kind of had in the back of my mind that I'm like, I want to get some official training under my belt so that I can be a more effective teacher for the students that I had worked with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1287.0,1330.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: So then I moved here and it took a while to get settled, but last summer I sort of felt like I had started to have the time to do this again. So I started researching programs and I enrolled in this teacher program at the new school, and they have a requirement for, it's a five course program, and for two of them you have to do an outside teaching placement as part of your coursework. So I knew that this semester I was going to have to be doing some teaching and I wanted to do it in the area where I lived. And so I connected with the library and it turns out they were looking for some additional teachers for the ESL program. So we found a time that worked in my schedule. So I've been teaching this semester alongside, alongside my training program at the new school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1330.0,1377.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: This is kind of your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1377.0,1379.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I'm learning too. You're learning","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1379.0,1381.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: As you are doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1381.0,1382.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Exactly. It's an interesting way to do it because I think they do it very intentionally because when they, all of the assignments I do for my teacher training course are meant to be used in the classroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1382.0,1393.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, that's fantastic. So you are giving actual pedagogically sound instruction to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1393.0,1398.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Students? It's usually, I'll do an assignment, I'll turn it into my professor and then I teach it to the students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1398.0,1404.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So how is teaching English as a second language for you? Because you have lived in different places as a young child. Well, as an 11-year-old, you were in Germany and spending time with people from other countries, and then you went to Barcelona and Spain and also spending time with people from other countries in your life in New York City. And now here, these are areas that are diverse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1404.0,1431.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you communicate with people in English nonetheless, they speak a different language at home. And now you are trying to help English learners to use English every day. So it's not the second language, but it is not a second language, but is a lived language that they have to, it's beyond an extra language, but it's what they need to deal with their lives every day. So how has been that experience meeting these foreigners who are learning English to deal with their everyday life","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1431.0,1463.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Here? It's been really interesting. I'm really impressed with how they get on. Actually, one thing that I learned a lot when I was trying to learn Spanish is just how much courage it takes to learn a new language and how much emotional strength it takes to actually really start speaking in a foreign language. I know I had such a hard time with my Spanish, I would just get really frustrated when I couldn't express exactly what I wanted to say because I feel so confident when I'm speaking English, my native language, and I know exactly how to say what I want to say and I can convey the exact meaning I want. And as when I was learning Spanish, I would find it really frustrating that I just couldn't quite put what I wanted. I didn't have all the tools to say what I wanted to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1463.0,1511.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: And I found that a roadblock a lot where when I was actually trying to have conversations in Spanish that I didn't have the courage to make mistakes or to really put yourself out there and there's a vulnerability to speaking in a second language. I think you just have to be open to, I might say something foolish or I might make a mistake. I might not sound as smart as I do in my native language. And I found that really challenging to do in Spanish. So I guess translating that to teaching, I just really admire that my students come in really willing to talk, and they're out here living in English, and they have to learn in English. They can't fall back on another language. The way that in Barcelona, if I was really stuck, I could probably fall back into English in a shop and be fine. But you can't necessarily do that here. You can't assume everyone here is bilingual the way that you can in some other cities. So yeah, I'm just really impressed with the vulnerability and the openness and the courage that our students have in using their foreign language every day and doing what they need to get by.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1511.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: You're very empathetic to yourself, of course. And your own experience. What has been an event or some things that have impressed you about your students? Not necessarily positively, but some difficulties that you might have had when you were teaching a particular lesson. And your students are from different countries too. You are not teaching a group from the same country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1580.0,1606.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1606.0,1608.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So misunderstandings or what for you have been difficult situations in teaching 'em for them to understand it, anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1608.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: So I wouldn't say it's so much a difficulty. So I teach upper intermediate students, and I think they're at a really interesting point in their language journey where they can pretty effectively communicate in English. They make mistakes, but they're able to get their, convey their point. But they are, I sense in our classroom, they're starting to really want to stretch their wings a little bit. And we work pretty closely with a textbook that has little audios and little scripts, and I think they're kind of like, well, I want to listen to, they're like, this is fine, but when I want to listen to a TV show or a podcast or when someone's talking, it's different. I guess they're, they want to engage more in primary materials rather than the stuff the texts that are created for students are kind of maybe a little corny or not as interesting as the real world content.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1620.0,1677.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: And they're kind of at that point where they're ready to do that stuff. But it's hard. There's just people talk really fast or use slang or that kind of thing. So it's been interesting trying to guide them into listening to more primary sources. And I try to bring in podcast clips or videos from YouTube or something like that, but we do have to engage with them more a little more slowly. And maybe we play it on half speed the first time or talk about the vocab before, because I think they're kind of like, okay, this stuff in the textbook is boring. I want to start watching American TV and I want to start","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1677.0,1720.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Living an English speaker. But they still need a little bit of assistance in getting there. And then the other thing I'd say is sometimes because of the level they're at, they bring me kind of complicated questions. They'll notice, I don't know, they asked me the other day, what's the difference between saying because or because, and they asked me, I'm like, okay, I know there is a difference. And I'm like, I can tell you a sentence with one and a sentence with the other. But I couldn't think of what were the grammatical words to use to actually explain the rule","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1720.0,1757.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: So much that is instinctive when you're a native speaker that you actually, part of what I'm learning as a teacher is you can't just use your ear as a native speaker. I need to be able to actually explain to them the mechanics of what's going on here and what's a rule that they can use so that they can apply it to their own speaking. And because they're getting pretty advanced, they're kind of complicated things. It's not just, here's a subject, here's a verb. It's like we're talking about preposition phrases and different types of adverb phrases that use different relative pronouns. And it's like I feel like I'm having to make sure that I come prepared with the right tools to make sure I can explain it to them in a useful way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1757.0,1803.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Does that have changed the way that you use English? Sometimes when you think about things you are a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1803.0,1808.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Reader, it makes you be a little more thoughtful about it. I think when you're speaking in your native language, it's just such an instinct to you. But it's interesting to take a step back and realize all of the building blocks and all the mechanics and the logic that is actually there that you just don't think of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1808.0,1827.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes. And your students come from different countries? Yes. Do they bring up any are particular linguistic problem that it's related to the language from where they come from? So some people might interpret things in a different way. For instance, idiomatic expressions can be difficult to teach to foreigners because for them it wouldn't translate the same sometimes different attitudes about language or things that you have learned from them, from being from different countries. If that discussion is brought up in class when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1827.0,1867.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Not exactly. I haven't noticed. I feel like I noticed the ones more with, if am talking to somebody who I know Spanish is their first language, I can more clearly hear if the mistakes they're making are coming from how Spanish is, because those are ones that I'm more familiar with. So I can hear like, oh, they just translated that from Spanish and that's why they're saying it that way, even though it's not how we say it in English. But from my students who speak languages that I really don't have familiarity with, I'm not sure. I can't always identify where the mistakes are coming from exactly. But it is interesting as I'm getting to know them better, I am starting to see some patterns and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1867.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Some of the errors that they do and I can kind of face, okay, maybe this just is a difference in how their language is. Another thing they've brought up to me before is I don't know how deep in the weeds we want to get about English in particular. They specifically have asked me about phrasal verbs, which are I sure, but I guess I will explain for the recording is where you have a verb and a preposition that together means something different than the two words apart. And I think they did a lesson on it last semester and they said, we were so confused, we want to do it again. And so I kind of tried to prepare a little lesson for them on it, but really it's not a structure or a rule you can do. You kind of just have to memorize a lot of them. So we talked about why does turn in, turn on, turn off, turn up, turn down, that means six things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1905.0,1960.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: But it's all kind of one word, but there's not always turning involved. It's just the turning your point like that or take off, take on, take out those kind of all. And even the taking isn't the same motion. And so it's really hard to explain to teach how those phrases kind of have a unique meaning and you kind of just have to memorize a bunch of 'em or just encounter them in your day-to-day life and use context clues. But yeah, it's one of those, A lot of those are really common expressions that we use every day. And I've taking for granted","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1960.0,1996.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Exactly by maybe the speakers or people who have spoken English for a long time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=1996.0,2000.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: It's interest to see that my students are like, yeah, it's really frustrating when people say them because I'm guessing what they mean. But there's just so many little common things that we don't always think are maybe difficult for language learners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2000.0,2012.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you are getting your certificate from the new school. Do you go to the new school or is it It's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2012.0,2021.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Virtual classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2021.0,2021.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: It's on virtual classes. So do you get the chance to exchange impressions with your colleagues? I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2021.0,2029.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yeah. It's really interesting to hear everybody is teaching in addition to being in class. So yeah, there's a lot really wide different range of levels that my classmates are working with. I'm trying to think. One of my classmates is working with a refugee organization and all of her students are for West Africa, and she said they're all friends, so everybody knows each other. And it's a very kind of lively class where everybody is super close and all everybody said that's kind of one specific environment where they all speak the same language, the same L ones. Also one of my classmates is working with a program, it's specifically for people who work in restaurants in New York City. So all of her students are working in different restaurants. So she's focusing a lot on practical vocabulary for them about things in the kitchen and cooking techniques and different cuisines, things like that. Interesting. So there's also, it's really interesting to just the wide range of teaching ESL is not one thing. It can really be a hugely different endeavor based on who your students are and what their goals are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2029.0,2101.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So from your experience teaching so far, and from what you have been learning, what are the things that you think are working the best in your strategies as a teacher? And what are the ones that you have abandoned or you want to change?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2101.0,2115.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I would say probably the most important thing, and I think more valuable than any of my actual training is just the experience of being a language learner I think is hugely important for a language teacher. Even though I didn't learn English in the same way they are, I did learn another language as an adult, and I think I recognize some of the difficulties there. Like we were talking before about being unafraid to be vulnerable and make mistakes and just how challenging it can be to learn new language as an adult, I think is really helpful to have that mindset. When I'm kind of trying to understand how to explain things to my students, I'm kind of thinking about, okay, well what helped me when I was learning Spanish, what kinds of explanations that my teacher gave were helpful, or what kind of teaching methods were the most interesting? And so I'm trying to apply that to my students. I am finding that I honestly can't imagine being an English teacher without having also been a language learner of some kind, I think is a kind of crucial experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2115.0,2182.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: And I'm trying to think, I don't know if I would say there's things that don't work, but I dunno. I will say I put a big premium on conversation in all of my classes. I'll pass over maybe a grammar exercise in favor of a speaking exercise or just a more practical thing. I think you can get pretty far with imperfect grammar, but just being able to communicate, I think that's better. I almost think you should start off communicating a little messily and clean it up later instead of waiting until you have perfect grammar to start communicating. I kind of felt that the first time I learned officially started learning a language was in high school. I learned French for four years and I was never able to talk just here in the us. That's just not how we taught it. I didn't know any native speakers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2182.0,2235.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: There weren't any native speakers near me, so it was very much reading and writing and doing grammar exercises. But if you had taken me to France, I couldn't have said two sentences together. But because we were so, I don't know, it just kind of stuck on the nuts and bolts rather than communicating. And so I felt like I learned a lot at my program in Spain was much more oral first. And I think that was really empowering for me that even after a couple months I could kind of have a conversation. Was my grammar perfect? Absolutely not. But it was very cool to be like, oh, I can talk to somebody and I can achieve the goal of my conversation. I can get something from the store or I can book an appointment. Little basic things you actually need. And it's like, I don't need three years of grammar. I don't need to know every single tense to be able to do that, but let's just get them talking as fast as possible. So that's why I really value conversation practice in class as much as possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2235.0,2294.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So you give them a lot of time to talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2294.0,2297.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yes. Yeah. And honestly, I love encourage, actually digressions in my class, veering off topic. If they bring up, I don't know, something they saw that day, let's spend 20 minutes talking about it because we're talking in English and that's valuable for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2297.0,2313.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, that's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2313.0,2314.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I think it's important to be responsive to the student. What the students express interest in any moment I think is more important than the lesson plan that we bring them. Let's try to make it, if they saw a word at their work that they didn't know and they bring it to me, I would rather talk about that than the lesson that I had planned because this is something that's in their life","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2314.0,2337.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2337.0,2338.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: They might use in the future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2338.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes. So there is a lot of conversation in your class, it seems. So what are the things that you find interesting from each student? No, not each one in particular, but they usually teach teachers a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2340.0,2354.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yeah, definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2354.0,2354.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So what do you have learned from them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2354.0,2357.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: A lot of stuff. I mean, I love pop culture talking about music and TV and things like that. So we did a long conversation about different musicians that we like from different countries that I found that really interesting to hear them talk about their favorite artists from their country. I'm trying to think what else. We compare and contrast a lot of things between their home countries and the US and just kind of hearing their remarks on like, oh, I think it's weird that Americans do this. And just having those conversations is really cool just to hear the things that kind of stick out to them as unique. I found those conversations to be very cool. I'm trying to think of a more specific one, but always there's a million little things that they bring all the time that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2357.0,2409.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yeah, that's wonderful. You continue doing this. Working with ESL students, have you worked with children or is your focus as adult?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2409.0,2420.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Not for teaching so much, but I have, in my volunteer work I have, so the program that we talked about that I went to when I was 11, I chaperoned kind of a similar program in 2019 with 14-year-old kids in Sweden. They were from all over the world. So the camp was conducted in English, but a lot of the kids, that wasn't their first language, so it wasn't there to teach them English, but there were a lot of kids that maybe were grasping for a word here and there, or they were trying to express themselves in English as clearly as they can. And I found a lot of times what my role there was actually sometimes to hold back the American kids a little bit and say like, Hey, wait for 20 seconds to let everybody else put their thoughts together before you guys talk because you guys are the native English speakers here, so you're going to go faster than everybody else. And we might dominate the conversation if we're not giving everybody space to, not everybody thinks as quickly as you do in English. So let's take a minute and let everyone gather their thoughts and then we can raise our hands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2420.0,2494.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So English was the language that we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2494.0,2496.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Were doing, the programming. All of the kids had studied, they had enough English to be able to go to this camp. They were conversational, they were prepared for that, but no matter what I mean, their kids, so they need a little minute to put their thoughts together. So it was kind of managing, it was in kind of an E ES L environment, if not an official ESL program. So we did kind of have to be mindful of making sure everyone had the room to talk that make sure everybody understood all the instructions that we were repeating ourselves enough and making sure it was clear for everyone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2496.0,2531.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So how do you feel about adult education for language learning in conscious to children education?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2531.0,2539.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yeah, teaching adults is always, I think is better. I don't know. So I also,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2539.0,2545.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2545.0,2545.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: One? Teaching? I Teaching adults. Teaching adults. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2545.0,2548.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: What are the advantages of an adult trying to learn a new language?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2548.0,2552.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yeah, I mean, I think just the motivation is the big one, that they might be paying their own money or if not paying their own money, they're choosing to spend their time in the classroom. They have identified this is something they want, they can usually pretty clearly, I think, address a goal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2552.0,2569.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: That they have. I briefly had a student in my class at the beginning of the semester who we were talking about what their goals were, and she specifically said that I have grandkids that were born here in the US and I have a hard time talking to them because they grew up speaking English. And she's like, I want to be able to have better conversations with my grandkids. She had this very clear thing that she wanted, or I had another student who wants to get a promotion at her job, and she thinks that improving her English will help her. She works in a customer facing job here in the us and so she thinks if I can get my English to that next level, it'll help me achieve my goal. They just have something clear that they want. Whereas for kids obviously have the advantage of, they can learn the language more quickly, but they don't really know why they're there because probably their parents put them in school and their parents are saying, Hey, it's important. It's important for you to learn and it'll pay off one day when you get a good job or something. But it's a little abstract for them. Whereas I think adults a lot of times have a really specific thing they want to accomplish. And so I sort of feel like I can more clearly help them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2569.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Get where they want to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2639.0,2641.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, that's an important contrast to make with kids. Might not be as goal oriented because they're so young, they're still starting to leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2641.0,2652.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Maybe their parents are forcing them, maybe they're bored or that you're hungry. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2652.0,2658.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Never thought of that. That's one of the reasons why it's challenging. That said, so there are anything in particular that you'd like to share with ESL memory project of your experience teaching adults or your life as a language learner or in structure?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2658.0,2683.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I don't think there's anything else coming to mind, but I love living in this community with all this linguistic diversity that we have here. I think it's a really wonderful, unique thing that we have. And I'm glad that we're documenting it through this project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2683.0,2696.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2696.0,2697.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2697.0,2698.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: So what do you hope for yourself in your career in the future? What are your aspirations through this line of language? You work for Audible and you are also training to get your certificate as an ESL teacher. And so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2698.0,2718.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I have a little bit of, it's kind of a distant goal, but part of why I'm doing this certificate program is I would love to someday in the future be able to have the kind of work where I'm not tied to just one company where I can maybe pull together different types of jobs and work as an independent contractor or something like that. And I think teaching kind of appealed to me in that sense because I like it. And also because it's the kind of thing where you can teach at different organizations or different language schools, or you can kind of have a flexible schedule. You can do private tutoring or classes. So I'm hopeful that at some point, maybe I'll be able to find a way to make this kind of a, I get enough money from this that I can combine it with maybe some other freelance projects and not have to be tied to one company because I have lived in a few different places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2718.0,2773.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I like to travel, I like to be able to visit my friends. And it's hard to do that when you work full time at a company here where I have to go to the office every day. And in the US we only get a few weeks of vacation time every year. So it's hard if I want to go visit my friends who live in Europe or my friends who live in Asia, it's like, how do I get enough days off work to go see them? So I would love to, I think especially teaching English as a really flexible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2773.0,2800.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Career, and you can live all over the world. There's a market in many countries for teaching English. And so I kind of see that as an opportunity either to teach in other places or to teach online and be able to reach people from all over the world. So that's my big dream is to someday be able to be a little more flexible and independent. But we're kind of just at the beginning stages of that journey","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2800.0,2824.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Now. That's a wonderful plan. And what do you hope for your students, the people that you have gotten to meet through these classes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2824.0,2832.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: I hope that they achieve their goals that they've talked to me about. I think it's, some of them are small things. It's maybe just having a really insightful conversation with their grandkids in English or it's being able to get that promotion or, I dunno, one of my students is taking the, I don't know what it would be called, but he has a medical license in another country and he wants to get one here in the us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2832.0,2859.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: The board. It's the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2859.0,2860.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: Medical exam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2860.0,2860.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Oh, the boards exam for medicine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2860.0,2862.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: And so it's like he wants to be able to take that exam, which is I think a difficult exam anyway, said he'll be taking it in a foreign language. Oh yeah. Okay. And so it's things like that they have those goals that they want to achieve to be able to further their careers or connect with people here. I hope that participating in this program kind of helps them get what they set out for and also that they're able to feel connected to our community, that they're able to, I think it's great to try to incorporate little cultural lessons here and there, or teach them idioms and just norms here that they can choose to take or not take, but just so that they're aware of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2862.0,2909.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: And many of them are meeting a wide international community here because in their countries, in many countries and many particularly smaller places are not as cosmopolitan as Jersey City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2909.0,2922.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: So just that exposure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2922.0,2924.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Yes, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2924.0,2925.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HD: To different people and how they might be thinking and that it'll maybe just help them feel comfortable and get to know new people and achieve their goals. I'm really impressed by their motivation and I think they'll achieve what they set out to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965#t=2925.0,2938.0"},{"id":"https://jclibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3515/collection_resources/163053/file/296965/transcript/86655/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MD: Well, I'm impressed by your work. Thank you. And thank you so much, Hillary. Yeah, thank you. It's an honor to participate in this project. Oh, the honor is mine. 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